Debian Bug report logs - #332608
'please update the license text'

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Joerg Jaspert <joerg@ganneff.de>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: php4-pear-log: ELICENSE - licensed under non-free "The PHP License, version 2.02"

Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:10:54 +0200

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Package: php4-pear-log
Severity: serious

Sorry, but the license doesnt really fit the package. You have a php
addon thing, using PHP license 2.02, but unfortunately for you this
license cant really be used with anything else than PHP itself.

It always only talks about "the product PHP", not about software.
And "php-whatever" isnt really "PHP" from the PHP group.
Point 5 in the older version 2) is also an advertisement clause.
Bad thing which is usually discouraged.

And, at the end there is the following text:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
This software consists of voluntary contributions made by many
individuals on behalf of the PHP Group.
The PHP Group can be contacted via Email at group@php.net. For more
information on the PHP Group and the PHP project, please see
<http://www.php.net>. This product includes the Zend Engine, freely
available at <http://www.zend.com>.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I doubt that your package is made "on behalf of the PHP group". Or that
it includes the Zend Engine.

As a good solution for this I suggest to talk to your upstream. Looking
at the license they choosed they do want to make it available for
everyone, so I suggest to use either the original BSD license or the
LGPL.

The other solution is to reassign this bug to ftp.debian.org requesting
the removal of this package.

-- 
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Message #16 received at 332608@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>

To: stig@php.net, cox@idecnet.com

Cc: 332608@bugs.debian.org

Subject: DB and the PHP License

Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:01:41 -0500

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Hi,

As you may already be aware, a Debian package of your PEAR DB module
has been created for distribution as a part of Debian (and thereafter
all of its derivatives). Unfortunately, it was discovered that the PHP
License under which DB is released is problematic for software other
than PHP itself. This problem has already been brought before the PEAR
community, and is being actively worked on. If you are interested, you
can read about the problems with the license (when applied to software
other than PHP) and some of the ensuing discussion at:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/08/msg00188.html

or in one of the PEAR mailing lists which were also involved in the
discussion.

To give you a sense of how uncompatible the PHP License is for the
release of software other than PHP, please consider point (6) of version
3.0:

    "Redistributions of any form whatsoever must retain the following
    acknowledgment: 'This product includes PHP, freely available from
    <http://www.php.net/>'."

While this is perfectly reasonable when distributing PHP itself, it
would be silly to think that you really expect us to only distribute DB
bundled with the entire PHP distribution. :-)

The PEAR team is currently working on how they would like to address
this issue:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/08/msg00238.html

But in the meantime, Debian is forced to remove PHP Licensed packages
(except of course for PHP itself) in order avoid violating the license.

We would, however, love to keep DB in Debian if you are able to change
the licence to something more compatible with your package. The BSD
License is quite similar to the PHP License. In fact, the first two
clauses of the PHP License were drawn from the BSD License. You can find
an example BSD License at:

   http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license

Note that the third point is optional, and is often left out.

We hope that you'll be able to migrate DB to a license that is not
specific to PHP itself, in order to allow us to distribute it in Debian.

Thanks for your understanding, and please feel free to contact us with
any further questions that you have regarding this matter.

Charles

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Message #21 received at 332608@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>

To: 332606@bugs.debian.org, 332607@bugs.debian.org, 332608@bugs.debian.org, 332609@bugs.debian.org, 332610@bugs.debian.org, 332611@bugs.debian.org, 332613@bugs.debian.org, 332614@bugs.debian.org, 332615@bugs.debian.org, 332616@bugs.debian.org, 332617@bugs.debian.org, 332618@bugs.debian.org

Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org

Subject: PHP License

Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:10:34 -0500

I just wanted to make sure that all relevant RC bugs were aware of the
following debian-legal post by MJ Ray:

   "The PHP licence could be OK for any software which has PHP Group
   contribution (regardless who is licensing later), but would require 
   lying about other software. So, it is possible for others to use it 
   'freely' when PHP Group was involved upstream and avoid the problem
   you describe.

   "Please leave the PHP licence bugs open for software which has no
   contribution by the PHP Group (which seems true for one or two pear
   packages IIRC). I don't think the PHP licence can be accepted as
   always-OK for others yet."

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/12/msg00142.html

Of course his comments are not binding on Debian, but they do express a
train of thought which has not been satisfactorily refuted on
debian-legal.

To summarize the long and continuing thread on "Clarification regarding
PHP License and DFSG status", there have been many comments questioning
the freeness of the PHP License, but there has been no refutal to my
proposal (agreed to by MJ above) that whatever the status of the PHP
License in Debian, it be applied equally to PHP and PHP Group software.

cheers,
Charles

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Message #26 received at 332608@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>

To: 332606@bugs.debian.org, 332607@bugs.debian.org, 332608@bugs.debian.org, 332609@bugs.debian.org, 332610@bugs.debian.org, 332611@bugs.debian.org, 332613@bugs.debian.org, 332614@bugs.debian.org, 332615@bugs.debian.org, 332616@bugs.debian.org, 332617@bugs.debian.org, 332618@bugs.debian.org

Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: PHP License

Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:13:11 -0500

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Just to clarify the context of my previous message, in November Pierre
from the Pear Group reported[1] that the PHP License was modified to
address the most severe of our concerns about its freeness. The
resultant license, unlike the previous version, appears to at least
apply equally to PHP and other PHP Group software, such as Pear
packages.

While debian-legal still feels that the license remains problematic, and
it is probably a good idea to encourage your upstream package maintainer
to adopt a new license, it is not entirely clear whether or not these
bugs are truly release critical, assuming that they deal with Pear
packages, which I have not taken the time to verify. The PHP License
clearly remains unacceptable for all non-PHP Group software.

Charles

   1. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/11/msg00260.html

-----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Fry <debian@frogcircus.org>
> Subject: PHP License
> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:10:33 -0500
> 
> I just wanted to make sure that all relevant RC bugs were aware of the
> following debian-legal post by MJ Ray:
> 
>    "The PHP licence could be OK for any software which has PHP Group
>    contribution (regardless who is licensing later), but would require 
>    lying about other software. So, it is possible for others to use it 
>    'freely' when PHP Group was involved upstream and avoid the problem
>    you describe.
> 
>    "Please leave the PHP licence bugs open for software which has no
>    contribution by the PHP Group (which seems true for one or two pear
>    packages IIRC). I don't think the PHP licence can be accepted as
>    always-OK for others yet."
> 
>    http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/12/msg00142.html
> 
> Of course his comments are not binding on Debian, but they do express a
> train of thought which has not been satisfactorily refuted on
> debian-legal.
> 
> To summarize the long and continuing thread on "Clarification regarding
> PHP License and DFSG status", there have been many comments questioning
> the freeness of the PHP License, but there has been no refutal to my
> proposal (agreed to by MJ above) that whatever the status of the PHP
> License in Debian, it be applied equally to PHP and PHP Group software.
> 
> cheers,
> Charles
> 
> -- 
> A better buy -- why not try
> Burma-Shave
> http://burma-shave.org/jingles/1939/a_better_buy

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Message #31 received at 332608-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thijs Kinkhorst <thijs@debian.org>

To: 332608-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#332608: fixed in php-db 1.7.13-1

Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:32:12 +0000

Source: php-db
Source-Version: 1.7.13-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
php-db, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

php-db_1.7.13-1.diff.gz
  to pool/main/p/php-db/php-db_1.7.13-1.diff.gz
php-db_1.7.13-1.dsc
  to pool/main/p/php-db/php-db_1.7.13-1.dsc
php-db_1.7.13-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/p/php-db/php-db_1.7.13-1_all.deb
php-db_1.7.13.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/p/php-db/php-db_1.7.13.orig.tar.gz



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 332608@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Thijs Kinkhorst <thijs@debian.org> (supplier of updated php-db package)

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Format: 1.7
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:25:25 +0100
Source: php-db
Binary: php-db
Architecture: source all
Version: 1.7.13-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian PHP Maintainers <pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Changed-By: Thijs Kinkhorst <thijs@debian.org>
Description: 
 php-db     - PHP PEAR Database Abstraction Layer
Closes: 332608 357098 384269 457437
Changes: 
 php-db (1.7.13-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   [ Martin Lohmeier ]
   * New upstream release.
     + Fixes parsing of postgresql FETCH (Closes: #357098)
     + Fixes @package_version@ variable (Closes: #384269).
   * Updated to PHP License 3.01 as upstream did (Closes: #332608)
   * Add debian/watch file.
   * Add Vcs-Svn field to debian/control.
   * Updated to debhelper 6.
   * Updated to standard version 3.7.3.
   * Add Homepage to debian/control.
   * New build system using PEAR.
 .
   [ Thijs Kinkhorst ]
   * Even newer upstream release.
   * Cleanup packaging.
   * Do not install tests, these are not really relevant in the binary
     package (Closes: #457437).
   * Update package description.
Files: 
 e6019b334faf29144080491cb3791d2d 1086 web optional php-db_1.7.13-1.dsc
 39b451245941a7059511a852f18b4946 132246 web optional php-db_1.7.13.orig.tar.gz
 1007c15d8f637623fc933874712ce2eb 3942 web optional php-db_1.7.13-1.diff.gz
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