Debian Bug report logs - #332521
Split xbase-clients

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Elrond <elrond+bugs.debian.org@samba-tng.org>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Split xbase-clients

Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:56:50 +0200

Package: xbase-clients
Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-8
Severity: wishlist

Hi,

xbase-clients by now has an installed size of 4,5MB. Quite
a lot for a "base" package. One, that nearly every X
workstation has installed.

It has a lot of specific add-ons, that not everyone needs.

I've tried to create some categories of tools in
xbase-clients:

- diagnostics / debugging:
	xev, xfd, xrandr, xtrap*, xlsatoms, dpsexec, dpsinfo,
	xprop, xdpyinfo, xwininfo, glxinfo, xvinfo, 
	appres, editres, listres, viewres,
	Xmark, x11perf, and x11perfcomp
- management tools:
	xvidtune, atobm, bmtoa, fstobdf, 
- desktop utilities:
	(see Bug#199675)
	beforelight, oclock, xclock, xmag, xload, xeyes,
	xconsole, xbiff,
- demos
	xgc, dga, ico, glxgears, texteroids, xlogo, 
- basic tools:
	xset, xsetroot, xrefresh, xkill, xauth, startx,
	xinit.
	(for xauth see Bug#151613)
- discouraged tools
	both xorg*config tools


The intention of this list is to serve as a starting point.
There are surely hundreds of things, that need to be
changed in it, and it misses some tools from xbase-clients,
that I do not use nor do I have an idea, what they _really_
could do.


    Elrond

Message #10 received at 332521@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Michel Dänzer <daenzer@debian.org>

To: 332521@bugs.debian.org, Elrond <elrond+bugs.debian.org@samba-tng.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#332521: Split xbase-clients

Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:55:50 +0200

On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 23:56 +0200, Elrond wrote:
> 
> xbase-clients by now has an installed size of 4,5MB. Quite
> a lot for a "base" package. One, that nearly every X
> workstation has installed.
> 
> It has a lot of specific add-ons, that not everyone needs.
> 
> I've tried to create some categories of tools in
> xbase-clients:
> 
> - diagnostics / debugging:
> 	xev, xfd, xrandr, xtrap*, xlsatoms, dpsexec, dpsinfo,
> 	xprop, xdpyinfo, xwininfo, glxinfo, xvinfo, 
> 	appres, editres, listres, viewres,
> 	Xmark, x11perf, and x11perfcomp
> - management tools:
> 	xvidtune, atobm, bmtoa, fstobdf, 
> - desktop utilities:
> 	(see Bug#199675)
> 	beforelight, oclock, xclock, xmag, xload, xeyes,
> 	xconsole, xbiff,
> - demos
> 	xgc, dga, ico, glxgears, texteroids, xlogo, 
> - basic tools:
> 	xset, xsetroot, xrefresh, xkill, xauth, startx,
> 	xinit.
> 	(for xauth see Bug#151613)
> - discouraged tools
> 	both xorg*config tools

I think xrandr rather belongs in the 'management tools' or possibly even
'basic tools' category.


-- 
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Message #19 received at 332521@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Josip Rodin <joy@entuzijast.net>

To: 332521@bugs.debian.org

Subject: vote for splitting

Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:17:48 +0200

Hi,

Here's another vote for the splitup of xbase-clients. Not least because,
on a clean system, this happens:

% apt-get install xbase-clients
[...]
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  defoma file fontconfig-config libdb4.4 libdrm2 libexpat1 libfontconfig1
  libfs6 libgl1-mesa-glx libice6 libmagic1 libpng12-0 libsm6 libxaw7
  libxcursor1 libxfixes3 libxft2 libxkbfile1 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4
  libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxss1 libxt6 libxtrap6 libxtst6 libxv1 libxxf86dga1
  libxxf86vm1 perl perl-modules ttf-dejavu ucf xbase-clients
[...]
0 upgraded, 35 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 14,0MB of archives.
After unpacking 49,2MB of additional disk space will be used.

That's just horrible. The meaning of "base" in xbase-clients has been lost a
long time ago, I guess.

The split as outlined by Elrond in the submission of bug #332521 looks much
better than this. The split off of mesa-utils helped, but not sufficiently,
I guess.

I noticed that it's just xclock that pulls in all the font* stuff.

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