Debian Bug report logs - #323227
new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Toggle useless messages

Message #3 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christoph Berg <cb@df7cb.de>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:08:58 +0200

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Package: lists.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

Hi,

I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog postings
from planet.debian.org.

The main reason is that after postings expire on the planet website,
it's very hard to find old postings if you cannot remember who wrote
it. Think of "there was some nice sh script snippet" or "someone
pointed to that great package". Now you have to manually browse all
feeds or hope for google. Having a regular list archive on
lists.debian.org would solve this.

Joey has already set up a list for that privately, but it is not
archived publically. Providing that service from lists.debian.org
would recognize the importance of planet.debian.org to Debian culture.

I'm Cc'ing this to debian-devel so that people can comment if they'd
rather like their blog not to get archived elsewhere. (IMHO this
shouldn't be a problem since they want the content on
planet.debian.org, but maybe others think differently.)

Christoph
-- 
cb@df7cb.de | http://www.df7cb.de/

[signature.asc (application/pgp-signature, inline)]

Message #6 received at 323227@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>

To: 323227@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Christoph Berg <cb@df7cb.de>

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:33:17 +0200

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

also sprach Christoph Berg <cb@df7cb.de> [2005.08.15.1708 +0200]:
> I'm Cc'ing this to debian-devel so that people can comment if
> they'd rather like their blog not to get archived elsewhere. (IMHO
> this shouldn't be a problem since they want the content on
> planet.debian.org, but maybe others think differently.)

I am in favour of the idea. rss2email is a useful tool for this.

-- 
Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list!
 
 .''`.     martin f. krafft <madduck@debian.org>
: :'  :    proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info
`. `'`
  `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system
 
Invalid/expired PGP (sub)keys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
 
"those are my principles, and if you don't like them...
 well, I have others."
                                                     -- groucho marx

[signature.asc (application/pgp-signature, inline)]

Message #11 received at 323227-quiet@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Rob Bradford <robster@debian.org>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: 323227-quiet@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:47:43 +0100

On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 05:08:58PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
 
> I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog postings
> from planet.debian.org.

Please don't introduce any more namespace confusion.

Cheers,

Rob
-- 
Rob Bradford - http://robster.org.uk

Message #14 received at 323227-quiet@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christoph Berg <cb@df7cb.de>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, 323227-quiet@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:14:23 +0200

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Re: Rob Bradford in <20050815154743.GB29136@hades.evilgeniuses.org.uk>
> > I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog postings
> > from planet.debian.org.
> 
> Please don't introduce any more namespace confusion.

Agreed. What about debian-planet-feed?

Christoph
-- 
cb@df7cb.de | http://www.df7cb.de/

[signature.asc (application/pgp-signature, inline)]

Message #19 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <antti-juhani@kaijanaho.info>

To: 323227@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:55 +0300

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Christoph Berg wrote:
> I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog postings
> from planet.debian.org

While I agree that an archive of Planet Debian is desirable, I'm not
sure this is the way to go.  It seems to me that an archival feature to
PlanetPlanet would be more worthwhile - that would preserve the Planet
look and all the images that a typical RSS to email script doesn't.

Besides, this list is badly named.  Debian Planet and Planet Debian are
two entirely different things.

-- 
Antti-Juhani

[signature.asc (application/pgp-signature, attachment)]

Message #29 received at 323227-quiet@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Michael Ablassmeier <abi@grinser.de>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: 323227-quiet@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:29:46 +0200

On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 06:14:23PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Rob Bradford in <20050815154743.GB29136@hades.evilgeniuses.org.uk>
> > > I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog postings
> > > from planet.debian.org.
> > 
> > Please don't introduce any more namespace confusion.
> 
> Agreed. What about debian-planet-feed?

debian-planet-archive

bye,
    - michael

Message #34 received at 323227-quiet@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: David Moreno Garza <damog@debian.org>

To: Rob Bradford <robster@debian.org>

Cc: 323227-quiet@bugs.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:44:21 -0500

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 16:47 +0100, Rob Bradford wrote:
> > I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog
> postings
> > from planet.debian.org.
> 
> Please don't introduce any more namespace confusion.

I second this proposal too, but I really think, IMHO, it should have a
name like planet-debian-something (perhaps lists' policy violation?)
just to, as Rob states, avoid confusions. Or even some name like
debian-blogs or the like would work too.

-- 
David Moreno Garza <damog@debian.org> | http://www.damog.net/
 GPG: C671257D - 6EF6 C284 C95D 78F6 0B78 FFD3 981C 5FD7 C671 257D
 Signed mail welcome. Encrypted mail preferred.

[signature.asc (application/pgp-signature, inline)]

Message #39 received at 323227@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Anthony Towns <aj@azure.humbug.org.au>

To: 323227@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:27:28 +1000

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 07:16:55PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> Christoph Berg wrote:
> > I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog postings
> > from planet.debian.org
> While I agree that an archive of Planet Debian is desirable, I'm not
> sure this is the way to go.

I'm not sure an archived Planet is such a great idea; blogs tend to
be self-archiving anyway, so a Debian hosted archive seems like it
wouldn't add all that much, and would also remove the possibility of
updating old posts to provide corrections or links to newer information
-- heck, I update many of my posts within a few hours of posting them,
either because of obvious errors or feedback; the mailing list model
would pointlessly preserve the first draft. I'm not at all sure I'd be
happy having my blog republished like that.

Cheers,
aj

[signature.asc (application/pgp-signature, inline)]

Message #44 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Kevin Mark <kmark+debian-devel@pipeline.com>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: Christoph Berg <cb@df7cb.de>, Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:17:34 -0400

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 05:08:58PM +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Package: lists.debian.org
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog postings
> from planet.debian.org.
> 
Hi Chris,
I'd second that. I was just trying to find a post on planet about
adjusting your screen size and dpi and couldn't rememeber who said it.
the post refered to xdpyinfo and 'displaysize' option in X config and a
kde controlpanel for dpi. If I had a list to search, that be cool.
Cheers,
Kev
-- 
counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted!
      `$'         $'         
       $          $                      _
 ,d$$$g$  ,d$$$b. $,d$$$b`$' g$$$$$b $,d$$b
,$P'  `$ ,$P' `Y$ $$'  `$ $  "'   `$ $$' `$
$$     $ $$ggggg$ $     $ $ ,$P""  $ $    $
`$g. ,$$ `$$._ _. $ _,g$P $ `$b. ,$$ $    $
 `Y$$P'$. `Y$$$$P $$$P"' ,$. `Y$$P'$ $.  ,$.

[signature.asc (application/pgp-signature, inline)]

Message #49 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jon Dowland <lists@alcopop.org>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: Christoph Berg <cb@df7cb.de>, Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:51:12 +0100

On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:17:34PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> I'd second that. I was just trying to find a post on planet about
> adjusting your screen size and dpi and couldn't rememeber who said it.
> the post refered to xdpyinfo and 'displaysize' option in X config and
> a kde controlpanel for dpi. If I had a list to search, that be cool.

[I'm sure someone else has already expressed this but I can't find the
 post on this thread, at least]

What would really be useful, for more than just debian, would be for the
aggregator software to be extended to archive posts which it rotates off
the front page.

-- 
Jon Dowland
http://jon.dowland.name/

Message #54 received at 323227@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Steinar H. Gunderson" <sgunderson@bigfoot.com>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: 323227@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:47:43 +0200

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:51:12AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> What would really be useful, for more than just debian, would be for the
> aggregator software to be extended to archive posts which it rotates off
> the front page.

I'm happy this _doesn't_ exist ATM -- I expire all my blog entries after a
month.

/* Steinar */
-- 
Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/

Message #59 received at 323227@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.iki.fi>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: 323227@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:21:10 +0300

to, 2005-09-01 kello 11:51 +0100, Jon Dowland kirjoitti:
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 04:17:34PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > I'd second that. I was just trying to find a post on planet about
> > adjusting your screen size and dpi and couldn't rememeber who said it.
> > the post refered to xdpyinfo and 'displaysize' option in X config and
> > a kde controlpanel for dpi. If I had a list to search, that be cool.
> 
> [I'm sure someone else has already expressed this but I can't find the
>  post on this thread, at least]

See Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho's message in the bug log.

> What would really be useful, for more than just debian, would be for the
> aggregator software to be extended to archive posts which it rotates off
> the front page.

I'm with Tollef Fog Heen[1] (who didn't mail the bug) and Anthony Towns
in being hesitant about web log archiving. While archiving certainly can
be useful (I use rss2email and Evolution's search feature), I don't
think it's the job of debian.org to do it.

I rather think it would be better for someone to make a hack to do
google searches (or use some other suitable search engine) to direct
queries only on the sites that carry the web logs on Planet Debian. A
search form that adds lots of site: -keywords into the query or
something. This lets web log writers to still control their messages (to
fix mistakes, or even take down unintentionally flammable entries), for
example.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/08/msg01069.html

Message #64 received at 323227@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jon Dowland <lists@alcopop.org>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: 323227@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:38:15 +0100

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 01:47:43PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:51:12AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> > What would really be useful, for more than just debian, would be for
> > the aggregator software to be extended to archive posts which it
> > rotates off the front page.
> 
> I'm happy this _doesn't_ exist ATM -- I expire all my blog entries
> after a month.

Perhaps it should be an opt-in or opt-out feature, than.

Straying OT, but, if you publish something on the web, you should be
prepared never to see the back of it, no matter what desire you express
on the site.

-- 
Jon Dowland
http://jon.dowland.name/

Message #69 received at 323227@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: "Benj. Mako Hill" <mako@debian.org>

To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Cc: 323227@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#323227: new list: debian-planet to distribute planet.debian.org postings; archive to enable searching

Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:11:27 -0400

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

<quote who="Christoph Berg" date="Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 05:08:58PM +0200">
> I'd like to have a debian-planet list that would receive blog
> postings from planet.debian.org.
> 
> The main reason is that after postings expire on the planet website,
> it's very hard to find old postings if you cannot remember who wrote
> it. Think of "there was some nice sh script snippet" or "someone
> pointed to that great package". Now you have to manually browse all
> feeds or hope for google. Having a regular list archive on
> lists.debian.org would solve this.
> 
> Joey has already set up a list for that privately, but it is not
> archived publically. Providing that service from lists.debian.org
> would recognize the importance of planet.debian.org to Debian
> culture.

Is this private list available for other people to subscribe to? At
the very least, can we document this?

It sounds like a number of people would be happier with with this both
as an unofficial service and a non-public archived list. If Joey is
not happy with running this, I'm happy to set up the rss2email program
on a list at my own site. 

Of course, it's not clear to me if there is a name suggestion other
than "debian-planet" that would make an official list possible. I
still tend to think this would be the best situation.

Regards,
Mako

-- 
Benjamin Mako Hill
mako@debian.org
http://mako.cc/

[signature.asc (application/pgp-signature, inline)]

Message #78 received at 323227-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: cord@bendel.debian.org (Cord Beermann)

To: control@bugs.debian.org

Cc: 323227-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: closing 323227

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:13:32 +0000 (UTC)

close 323227 
thanks
-- 

all is said in the Bugreport. 


Yours,
        Cord, Debian Listmaster of the day
-- 
https://lists.debian.org

Send a report that this bug log contains spam.