Debian Bug report logs - #310406
License does not permit redistribution

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: License does not permit redistribution

Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:26:52 +0200

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Package: mysql-nonfree-4.1
Version: 4.1.10a-1
Severity: serious

This is the relevant part of debian/copyright:

5. The manual is currently not distributed under a GPL-style license. 
   Use of the manual is subject to the following terms: 
        * Conversion to other formats is allowed, but the actual content may 
          not be altered or edited in any way. 
        * You may create a printed copy for your own personal use. 
        * For all other uses, such as selling printed copies or using 
          (parts of) the manual in another publication, prior written 
          agreement from MySQL AB is required. Please e-mail docs@mysql.com
          for more information or if you are interested in doing a translation.

And this is what manual.texi says:

@c This manual is NOT distributed under a GPL style license.
@c Use of the manual is subject to the following terms:
@c - Conversion to other formats is allowed, but the actual
@c   content may not be altered or edited in any way.
@c - You may create a printed copy for your own personal use.
@c - For all other uses, such as selling printed copies or
@c   using (parts of) the manual in another publication,
@c   prior written agreement from MySQL AB is required.

Where is the permission to redistribute? If you have obtained such a
permission, please downgrade this bug and include the appropriate text
in debian/copyright.

Regards,

-- 
Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>
Debian developer, sysadmin, netadmin

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Message #10 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:14:43 +0200

Hello MySQL

I maintain the MySQL packages for the Debian distribution and are
facing some licence issues here.

Currently (as of 4.1.8) the manual.texi includes the following
licence information:

@c This manual is NOT distributed under a GPL style license.
@c Use of the manual is subject to the following terms:
@c - Conversion to other formats is allowed, but the actual
@c   content may not be altered or edited in any way.
@c - You may create a printed copy for your own personal use.
@c - For all other uses, such as selling printed copies or
@c   using (parts of) the manual in another publication,
@c   prior written agreement from MySQL AB is required.
@c
@c Please email docs@mysql.com for more information or if
@c you are interested in doing a translation.

If this is intentionally, it means that Debian cannot even distribute
the manual in the non-free section. (I wonder if RedHat has such
a written permission because they, too distribute the manual in e.g.
mysql-4.1.10a-1.RHEL4.1.src.rpm from the 4WS enterprise edition and probably
others...)

Can you confirm that I understand this right?

thanks,

-christian-

Message #15 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>, 308680@bugs.debian.org, dc <control@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: License does not permit redistribution

Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 00:26:52 +0200

forwarded 308680 docs@mysql.com
thanks

Hello Göran

On 2005-05-11 Göran Weinholt wrote:
> And this is what manual.texi says:
> 
> @c This manual is NOT distributed under a GPL style license.
...

Thanks for pointing this out, I contacted MySQL if this statement is
still up to date. 

For the record, Debian did not receive (and IMO should never accept)
any such "written permission" so chances are quite good that Sarge
will have two non-free packages less.

bye,

-christian-

Message #22 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

To: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

Cc: docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, 308680@bugs.debian.org, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:46:37 +0200

Christian Hammers wrote:
> I maintain the MySQL packages for the Debian distribution and are
> facing some licence issues here.

Christian,

I'm working with our contracts dept. to change that copyright note so it 
doesn't confuse our users. I'll get back to you soon.

Regards,

Stefan
-- 
Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>
MySQL AB, Documentation Team
Taunusstr. 27, 12161 Berlin, Germany
Desk: +49 30 82702940 Fax: +49 30 82702941
Mobile: +49 177 7841069

Message #27 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>, 308680@bugs.debian.org

Cc: docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, 308680@bugs.debian.org, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:14:18 +0200

Hello

On 2005-05-13 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> Christian Hammers wrote:
> > I maintain the MySQL packages for the Debian distribution and are
> > facing some licence issues here.
> 
> I'm working with our contracts dept. to change that copyright note so it 
> doesn't confuse our users. I'll get back to you soon.

As our next release is in preparation I would have to know this week,
if the docs may be distributed or not, else they get thrown out.
Can you already tell me what the outcome will be like?

bye,

-christian-

Message #32 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

To: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:09:09 +0200

Hi Christian,

Christian Hammers wrote:
> Hello
> 
> On 2005-05-13 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> 
>>Christian Hammers wrote:
>>
>>>I maintain the MySQL packages for the Debian distribution and are
>>>facing some licence issues here.
>>
>>I'm working with our contracts dept. to change that copyright note so it 
>>doesn't confuse our users. I'll get back to you soon.
> 
> 
> As our next release is in preparation I would have to know this week,
> if the docs may be distributed or not, else they get thrown out.
> Can you already tell me what the outcome will be like?

The outcome will not be any different from how we've been handling this 
for the last ten years. ;-) That is, MySQL software has always been 
shipped with the Manual, and we won't change that. We'll try to phrase 
the copyright note more user-friendly, or easier to interpret correctly. 
But let's have a look of what's in manual.texi now, with a few comments 
of mine.

@c This manual is NOT distributed under a GPL style license.

If it were, then you could just do with it whatever you want, as long as 
what you do complies to the restrictions imposed by the GPL. For our 
Manual, this is not the case: It's "regular" copyright, and the note 
above doesn't change anything regarding "regular" copyright, it just 
emphasises that fact.

Now what are you allowed to do with regularly copyrighted material? You 
may make a copy for personal use, but you're not allowed to distribute 
it, unless the copyright owner grants you permission to do that. (This 
is true for most countries in the world since copyright laws are very 
similar.) This is what one of the following clauses is for; see below.

@c Use of the manual is subject to the following terms:
@c - Conversion to other formats is allowed, but the actual
@c   content may not be altered or edited in any way.

The previous sentence actually states two different things:
1. You may not fork the Manual (why else would anyone want to "alter or 
edit" it if not for forking?). This is just an emphasis of what's 
regular copyright: You're not allowed to fork copyrighted material 
without the owner's permission.
2. Since TexInfo isn't the most readable format there is we allow to 
convert it into other formats. (In the near future, after we've switched 
from TexInfo to DocBook XML we'll ship other formats, anyway, so that 
note will probably be removed.)

@c - You may create a printed copy for your own personal use.

As said above, this is what copyright laws grant you, anyway.

@c - For all other uses, such as selling printed copies or
@c   using (parts of) the manual in another publication,
@c   prior written agreement from MySQL AB is required.

The things explicitly mentioned here are what we're really after: We 
don't want anyone to sell printed copies (since we're doing this 
ourselves :-), and we don't want parts of the Manual to be copied to 
training materials etc. What's not mentioned here is what we *do* allow, 
and that's what all this discussion is about: We want the Manual to be 
shipped with the software *but not separately*.

I hope this clarifies our reasoning. Let me know if you have further 
questions!

Regards,

Stefan
-- 
Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>
MySQL AB, Documentation Team
Taunusstr. 27, 12161 Berlin, Germany
Desk: +49 30 82702940 Fax: +49 30 82702941
Mobile: +49 177 7841069

Message #37 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:00:15 +0200

Hello Stefan

On 2005-05-18 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> > As our next release is in preparation I would have to know this week,
> > if the docs may be distributed or not, else they get thrown out.
> > Can you already tell me what the outcome will be like?
...
> What's not mentioned here is what we *do* allow, and that's what all this
> discussion is about: We want the Manual to be shipped with the software
> *but not separately*.

The manual cannot be shipped with the software in a "strict sense" as
 a) at least in Debian it does not comply the Debian Free Software 
    Guidelines (because it may not be altered) and thus must reside in 
    it's own mysql-doc package in the non-free part of the ftp archive.
 b) (minor point: for convinience, it is in it's own package due 
    to it's size)

So was your above sentence just not exact and you really require me 
to remove the mysql manual from Debian?

If, on the other hand, you want to have it shipped "in a distribution that
also has the mysql server and client binaries in another package" then I need
a short and clear copyright addition that I can put into the copyright file
of the package to make the ftp master happy again.

bye,

-christian- 

Message #42 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

To: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:13:01 +0200

Christian,

Christian Hammers wrote:
> Hello Stefan
> 
> On 2005-05-18 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> 
>>>As our next release is in preparation I would have to know this week,
>>>if the docs may be distributed or not, else they get thrown out.
>>>Can you already tell me what the outcome will be like?
> 
> ...
> 
>>What's not mentioned here is what we *do* allow, and that's what all this
>>discussion is about: We want the Manual to be shipped with the software
>>*but not separately*.
> 
> 
> The manual cannot be shipped with the software in a "strict sense" as
>  a) at least in Debian it does not comply the Debian Free Software 
>     Guidelines (because it may not be altered) and thus must reside in 
>     it's own mysql-doc package in the non-free part of the ftp archive.
>  b) (minor point: for convinience, it is in it's own package due 
>     to it's size)
> 
> So was your above sentence just not exact and you really require me 
> to remove the mysql manual from Debian?

I was imprecise. What I meant to say is "not separately" in the sense of 
putting the Manual somewhere outside the vicinity of the MySQL software. 
E.g. putting the Manual on a book CD that doesn't contain the MySQL 
software. Does this sound clearer?

> If, on the other hand, you want to have it shipped "in a distribution that
> also has the mysql server and client binaries in another package" then I need
> a short and clear copyright addition that I can put into the copyright file
> of the package to make the ftp master happy again.

OK, I've asked our contract dept. for such a paper. Not sure if they get 
this done by ... By when do you need to have it? And since it's legal 
stuff, you probably need it on paper; so where should we send that paper to?

Regards,

Stefan
-- 
Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>
MySQL AB, Documentation Team
Taunusstr. 27, 12161 Berlin, Germany
Desk: +49 30 82702940 Fax: +49 30 82702941
Mobile: +49 177 7841069

Message #47 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:01:58 +0200

Hi

On 2005-05-18 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> > So was your above sentence just not exact and you really require me 
> > to remove the mysql manual from Debian?
> 
> I was imprecise. What I meant to say is "not separately" in the sense of 
> putting the Manual somewhere outside the vicinity of the MySQL software. 
> E.g. putting the Manual on a book CD that doesn't contain the MySQL 
> software. Does this sound clearer?

Ok.

> > If, on the other hand, you want to have it shipped "in a distribution that
> > also has the mysql server and client binaries in another package" then I need
> > a short and clear copyright addition that I can put into the copyright file
> > of the package to make the ftp master happy again.
> 
> OK, I've asked our contract dept. for such a paper. Not sure if they get 
> this done by ... By when do you need to have it? And since it's legal 
> stuff, you probably need it on paper; so where should we send that paper to?

It's enough if you write it per email and state that this addition applies
to 4.0.x, 4.1.x and will appear in the next release. Something like

	In addition to the current MySQL manual licence, MySQL grants
	permission to everyone to distribute the manual in unaltered
	form (regarding to the content not the format) as long as the
 	server is distributed, too.

(please be careful with the definition of how exactly the server is
distributed as e.g. in Debian non-free is not considered part of "the Debian
distribution" but rather a part of the archive that is maintained for
convinience only... and also it maybe on a different CD-ROM so "on the same
medium" is also not valid... complicated...

If I have it in the next days that would be nice, else the release manager
might have no pardon as this is "only" a non-free package and the archive is
"frozen" for release..

bye,

-christian-

Message #52 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

To: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:44:20 +0200

Christian,

you make me phone with American lawyers; frightening. ;-) Please see below.

Christian Hammers wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On 2005-05-18 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> 
>>>So was your above sentence just not exact and you really require me 
>>>to remove the mysql manual from Debian?
>>
>>I was imprecise. What I meant to say is "not separately" in the sense of 
>>putting the Manual somewhere outside the vicinity of the MySQL software. 
>>E.g. putting the Manual on a book CD that doesn't contain the MySQL 
>>software. Does this sound clearer?
> 
> 
> Ok.
> 
> 
>>>If, on the other hand, you want to have it shipped "in a distribution that
>>>also has the mysql server and client binaries in another package" then I need
>>>a short and clear copyright addition that I can put into the copyright file
>>>of the package to make the ftp master happy again.
>>
>>OK, I've asked our contract dept. for such a paper. Not sure if they get 
>>this done by ... By when do you need to have it? And since it's legal 
>>stuff, you probably need it on paper; so where should we send that paper to?
> 
> 
> It's enough if you write it per email and state that this addition applies
> to 4.0.x, 4.1.x and will appear in the next release. Something like
> 
> 	In addition to the current MySQL manual licence, MySQL grants
> 	permission to everyone to distribute the manual in unaltered
> 	form (regarding to the content not the format) as long as the
>  	server is distributed, too.

The lawyer I just phoned to is telling me she'll get back to me soon 
with an assessment whether or not we can give that permission. I hope I 
can get back to you in time.

> (please be careful with the definition of how exactly the server is
> distributed as e.g. in Debian non-free is not considered part of "the Debian
> distribution" but rather a part of the archive that is maintained for
> convinience only... and also it maybe on a different CD-ROM so "on the same
> medium" is also not valid... complicated...
> 
> If I have it in the next days that would be nice, else the release manager
> might have no pardon as this is "only" a non-free package and the archive is
> "frozen" for release..

Argh. Are you referring to the whole MySQL package, or just to the 
Reference Manual, when you're talking about the non-free package?

Regards,

Stefan
-- 
Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>
MySQL AB, Documentation Team
Taunusstr. 27, 12161 Berlin, Germany
Desk: +49 30 82702940 Fax: +49 30 82702941
Mobile: +49 177 7841069

Message #57 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>, 308680@bugs.debian.org

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:33:09 +0200

Hi Stefan

On 2005-05-18 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> > It's enough if you write it per email and state that this addition applies
> > to 4.0.x, 4.1.x and will appear in the next release. Something like
> > 
> > 	In addition to the current MySQL manual licence, MySQL grants
> > 	permission to everyone to distribute the manual in unaltered
> > 	form (regarding to the content not the format) as long as the
> >  	server is distributed, too.
> 
> The lawyer I just phoned to is telling me she'll get back to me soon 
> with an assessment whether or not we can give that permission. I hope I 
> can get back to you in time.

Ok, thanks.
 
> > (please be careful with the definition of how exactly the server is
> > distributed as e.g. in Debian non-free is not considered part of "the
> > Debian distribution" but rather a part of the archive that is maintained
> > for convinience only... and also it maybe on a different CD-ROM so "on the
> > same medium" is also not valid... complicated...
> > 
> > If I have it in the next days that would be nice, else the release manager
> > might have no pardon as this is "only" a non-free package and the archive
> > is "frozen" for release..
> 
> Argh. Are you referring to the whole MySQL package, or just to the 
> Reference Manual, when you're talking about the non-free package?

Everything under Docs/ is split away to the mysql-doc package and part
of the "non-free" area. The rest (mysql-server, mysql-client, libs)
is also in separate packages but all belongs to the "main" area. The only
thing I removed was the benchmark tests but that doesn't matter, I guess.

> Stefan
bye,

-christian-

Message #62 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

To: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:44:00 +0200

Christian Hammers wrote:
> Hi Stefan
> 
> On 2005-05-18 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> 
>>>It's enough if you write it per email and state that this addition applies
>>>to 4.0.x, 4.1.x and will appear in the next release. Something like
>>>
>>>	In addition to the current MySQL manual licence, MySQL grants
>>>	permission to everyone to distribute the manual in unaltered
>>>	form (regarding to the content not the format) as long as the
>>> 	server is distributed, too.
>>
>>The lawyer I just phoned to is telling me she'll get back to me soon 
>>with an assessment whether or not we can give that permission. I hope I 
>>can get back to you in time.
> 
> 
> Ok, thanks.
>  
> 
>>>(please be careful with the definition of how exactly the server is
>>>distributed as e.g. in Debian non-free is not considered part of "the
>>>Debian distribution" but rather a part of the archive that is maintained
>>>for convinience only... and also it maybe on a different CD-ROM so "on the
>>>same medium" is also not valid... complicated...
>>>
>>>If I have it in the next days that would be nice, else the release manager
>>>might have no pardon as this is "only" a non-free package and the archive
>>>is "frozen" for release..
>>
>>Argh. Are you referring to the whole MySQL package, or just to the 
>>Reference Manual, when you're talking about the non-free package?
> 
> 
> Everything under Docs/ is split away to the mysql-doc package and part
> of the "non-free" area. The rest (mysql-server, mysql-client, libs)
> is also in separate packages but all belongs to the "main" area. The only
> thing I removed was the benchmark tests but that doesn't matter, I guess.

Hi Christian,

phew! :) I'm happy to see that issues with the Manual don't keep you 
from putting MySQL where it belongs -- in the main area. However, I'll 
keep trying to resolve unclarities about the MySQL Manual once and for 
all -- so thanks for taking your time to discuss this with me!

Regards,

Stefan
-- 
Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>
MySQL AB, Documentation Team
Taunusstr. 27, 12161 Berlin, Germany
Desk: +49 30 82702940 Fax: +49 30 82702941
Mobile: +49 177 7841069

Message #67 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>, 308680@bugs.debian.org

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:05:09 +0200

Hello Stefan

On 2005-05-18 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> > It's enough if you write it per email and state that this addition applies
> > to 4.0.x, 4.1.x and will appear in the next release. Something like
> > 
> > 	In addition to the current MySQL manual licence, MySQL grants
> > 	permission to everyone to distribute the manual in unaltered
> > 	form (regarding to the content not the format) as long as the
> >  	server is distributed, too.
> 
> The lawyer I just phoned to is telling me she'll get back to me soon 
> with an assessment whether or not we can give that permission. I hope I 
> can get back to you in time.

Any news regarding this issue?

> Stefan
bye,

-christian-

Message #72 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

To: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:47:13 +0200

Christian Hammers wrote:
> Hello Stefan
> 
> On 2005-05-18 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> 
>>>It's enough if you write it per email and state that this addition applies
>>>to 4.0.x, 4.1.x and will appear in the next release. Something like
>>>
>>>	In addition to the current MySQL manual licence, MySQL grants
>>>	permission to everyone to distribute the manual in unaltered
>>>	form (regarding to the content not the format) as long as the
>>> 	server is distributed, too.
>>
>>The lawyer I just phoned to is telling me she'll get back to me soon 
>>with an assessment whether or not we can give that permission. I hope I 
>>can get back to you in time.
> 
> 
> Any news regarding this issue?

Hi Christian,

I'm afraid I can't tell you anything new. Looks like the MySQL Manual 
will end up in your non-free section. :/

Regards,

Stefan
-- 
Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>
MySQL AB, Documentation Team
Taunusstr. 27, 12161 Berlin, Germany
Desk: +49 30 82702940 Fax: +49 30 82702941
Mobile: +49 177 7841069

Message #77 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

Cc: 308680@bugs.debian.org, docs@mysql.com, Arjen Lentz <arjen@mysql.com>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:41:19 +0200

Hello Stefan

On 2005-05-22 Stefan Hinz wrote:
> >>>It's enough if you write it per email and state that this addition
> >applies >>to 4.0.x, 4.1.x and will appear in the next release. Something
> >like >>
> >>>	In addition to the current MySQL manual licence, MySQL grants
> >>>	permission to everyone to distribute the manual in unaltered
> >>>	form (regarding to the content not the format) as long as the
> >>> 	server is distributed, too.
> >>
> >>The lawyer I just phoned to is telling me she'll get back to me soon 
> >>with an assessment whether or not we can give that permission. I hope I 
> >>can get back to you in time.
> > 
> > Any news regarding this issue?
> 
> I'm afraid I can't tell you anything new. Looks like the MySQL Manual 
> will end up in your non-free section. :/

Then I think I made not clear what the problem is. Currently Linux
distributions are not allowed to ship the manual *at all*.
Not in the "non-free" section, not accompanied with the server.
The only allowed way to get the manual for the end-user is directly from
you i.e. your website. So I will remove all mysql-doc packages from Debian.

bye,

-christian-

Message #82 received at 308680@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

To: 308680@bugs.debian.org, dc <control@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Please remove source packages mysql-nonfree and mysql-nonfree-4.1

Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:57 +0200

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reassign 308680 ftp.debian.org
severity 308680 serious
justification: licence problem
retitle 308680 "Please remove mysql-nonfree(-4.1) -- RoM"
thanks

Hello FTP-maintainers

Please remove the following source and binary packages from all releases
due to a licence that makes it undistributionable for us. The problem has
been discussed and confirmed with the upstream author.

  source:		   binary:
  mysql-nonfree		-> mysql-doc        (woody, sarge, sid)
  mysql-nonfree-4.1	-> mysql-doc-4.1    (       sarge, sid)

bye,

-christian-

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From: Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>

To: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:25:06 +0200

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Christian Hammers wrote:
> Hello Stefan
>=20
> On 2005-05-22 Stefan Hinz wrote:
>=20
>>>>>It's enough if you write it per email and state that this addition
>>>
>>>applies >>to 4.0.x, 4.1.x and will appear in the next release. Something
>>>like >>
>>>
>>>>>	In addition to the current MySQL manual licence, MySQL grants
>>>>>	permission to everyone to distribute the manual in unaltered
>>>>>	form (regarding to the content not the format) as long as the
>>>>>	server is distributed, too.
>>>>
>>>>The lawyer I just phoned to is telling me she'll get back to me soon=20
>>>>with an assessment whether or not we can give that permission. I hope I=
=20
>>>>can get back to you in time.
>>>
>>>Any news regarding this issue?
>>
>>I'm afraid I can't tell you anything new. Looks like the MySQL Manual=20
>>will end up in your non-free section. :/
>=20
>=20
> Then I think I made not clear what the problem is. Currently Linux
> distributions are not allowed to ship the manual *at all*.
> Not in the "non-free" section, not accompanied with the server.
> The only allowed way to get the manual for the end-user is directly from
> you i.e. your website. So I will remove all mysql-doc packages from Debia=
n.

Sorry, Christian! You've made that clear; I was just not attentive=20
enough when I replied.

Regards,

Stefan
--=20
Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>
MySQL AB, Documentation Team
Taunusstr. 27, 12161 Berlin, Germany
Desk: +49 30 82702940 Fax: +49 30 82702941
Mobile: +49 177 7841069

Message #99 received at 310406@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jeroen van Wolffelaar <jeroen@wolffelaar.nl>

To: debian-release@lists.debian.org

Cc: Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org>, sean finney <seanius@debian.org>, Göran Weinholt <weinholt@debian.org>, 310407@bugs.debian.org, 310406@bugs.debian.org, Debian Bugs Control Bot <control@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#308680: MySQL docs not distributable?

Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:23:41 +0200

severity 310406 normal
severity 310407 normal
tags 310406 patch
tags 310407 patch
thanks

Stefan Hinz <stefan@mysql.com>, of the MySQL AB Documentation Team,
wrote in <428B3065.3070402@mysql.com>[1] and <428B4D6D.9060907@mysql.com>[2]
as documented in this bug with regards to the MySQL manual:

| What's not mentioned here is what we *do* allow, and that's what all this
| discussion is about: We want the Manual to be shipped with the software
| *but not separately*.
| (...)
| I was imprecise. What I meant to say is "not separately" in the sense of 
| putting the Manual somewhere outside the vicinity of the MySQL software. 
| E.g. putting the Manual on a book CD that doesn't contain the MySQL 
| software.
 
Including this in debian/copyright ought to be sufficient, seem by
reasoning at [3]. Although it'd be nice to have this statement included
in the package's copyright file itself, as far as I know it's not a
release critical issue for it to not be, as long as such statement
exists, especially for non-free.

Release team, could you please reconsider removing the documentation of
MySQL from Sarge? IMHO proper documentation for important pieces of
software is an important to have.

Thanks,
--Jeroen

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308680&msg=19
[2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308680&msg=25
[3] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308680&msg=62

-- 
Jeroen van Wolffelaar
jeroen@wolffelaar.nl
http://jeroen.A-Eskwadraat.nl

Message #108 received at 310406-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>

To: 310406-done@bugs.debian.org, 310407-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: removed

Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:16:10 +0100

This package has now been removed.
-- 
Martin Michlmayr
http://www.cyrius.com/

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