Debian Bug report logs - #301030
can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?

Package: xutils-dev; Maintainer for xutils-dev is Debian X Strike Force <debian-x@lists.debian.org>; Source for xutils-dev is src:xutils-dev.

Reported by: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:18:22 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Done: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>

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From: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:10:17 +0100
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Package: xutils
Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8
Severity: wishlist
File: /usr/X11R6/bin/lndir

This file is useful outside of X installations. I thus wonder if we
can move the tool to coreutils (as a sibling to /bin/ln), or, if
it's not considered a coreutil, then maybe to debianutils (as
a sibling to /usr/bin/readlink).

Thanks for your consideration.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (600, 'testing'), (98, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.11-cirrus
Locale: LANG=en_GB, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)

Versions of packages xutils depends on:
ii  cpp                         4:3.3.5-1    The GNU C preprocessor (cpp)
ii  libc6                       2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libfreetype6                2.1.7-2.3    FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib
ii  libfs6                      6.8.2-2      X Font Server library
ii  libncurses5                 5.4-4        Shared libraries for terminal hand
ii  xorg-common                 6.8.2-2      X Window System (X.Org) infrastruc
ii  zlib1g                      1:1.2.2-3    compression library - runtime

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From: Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
To: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>, 301030@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:33:22 -0500
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 01:10:17PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
>This file is useful outside of X installations. I thus wonder if we
>can move the tool to coreutils (as a sibling to /bin/ln), or, if
>it's not considered a coreutil, then maybe to debianutils (as
>a sibling to /usr/bin/readlink).

What is the point of this utility? Does it differ in any functional
manner from cp -sr?

Mike Stone




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From: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>
To: Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Cc: 301030@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:15:25 +0100
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also sprach Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> [2005.03.23.1333 +0100]:
> What is the point of this utility? Does it differ in any functional
> manner from cp -sr?

Sure. For instance, to create a symlink farm, e.g.:

  $ tar xjf /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11.tar.bz2
  $ mkdir suspend2-2.6.11
  $ cd !$
  $ lndir ../kernel-source-2.6.11

This creates a hierarchy in which directories are directories and
files are symlinks.

With `cp -sr`, this is not possible:

  $ cp -sr ../kernel-source-2.6.11 .
  cp: `./Makefile': can make relative symbolic links only in current directory

Maybe I am doing something wrong. However, lndir is really useful
and I have not found an alternative.

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From: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>
To: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>, 301030@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:09:19 -0500
> This file is useful outside of X installations. I thus wonder if we
> can move the tool to coreutils (as a sibling to /bin/ln), or, if
> it's not considered a coreutil, then maybe to debianutils (as
> a sibling to /usr/bin/readlink).

If it's useless for everybody in general, I'd think it should go into
coreutils upstream.  (readlink moved from debianutils to coreutils,
BTW).



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From: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>
To: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>
Cc: 301030@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:15:46 +0100
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also sprach Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org> [2005.03.23.1509 +0100]:
> If it's useless for everybody in general, I'd think it should go into
> coreutils upstream.  (readlink moved from debianutils to coreutils,
> BTW).

useful you mean... i think it's useful. specifically for users of
make-kpkg and zope's new dzhandle. I could probably come up with
other examples.

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From: Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org>
To: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>
Cc: 301030@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:16:32 +0100
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 03:15:46PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org> [2005.03.23.1509 +0100]:
> > If it's useless for everybody in general, I'd think it should go into
> > coreutils upstream.  (readlink moved from debianutils to coreutils,
> > BTW).
> 
> useful you mean... i think it's useful. specifically for users of
> make-kpkg and zope's new dzhandle. I could probably come up with
> other examples.

Then I think you should propose it to bug-coreutils@gnu.org for
inclusion along with a pointer to it.  However, please check the
copyright (I heard it is MIT X) and maybe the copyright holder, as the
FSF is doing copyright assignments.  In the worest case, they tell us
somebody needs to rewrite it who has copyright assignments for coreutils
on file, either because of copyright assignment or coding style issues.

Also, best to add some rationale why this is needed and which use-cases
profit from it.


cheers,

Michael



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From: Nick Jenkins <nickpj@gmail.com>
To: 301030@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:22:12 +1100
How about a real-world human example by way of a use-case? In particular, me.

Just now, I wanted to install MediaWiki on a machine, and use the same
source for multiple virtual hosts (for easy administration & security
updates). Their recommendation of the easiest way to do this is to use
the "lndir" command (ref:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#Is_it_possible_to_install_more_than_one_wiki_.28MediaWiki.29_on_a_server.3F_How.3F
). So of course I typed "lndir" into a ssh session on the headless,
X-window-less, debian server that will host these sites:
===========================================
ludo:~# lndir
bash: lndir: command not found
ludo:~#
===========================================

I was surprised - this machine has the standard coreutils and debian
utils installed, so I would have expected to have such a seeming
useful command available. So, I googled, and found this bug. On
finding that I have to "apt-get install xutils", I did so, but was a
bit surprised because I would have expected to have this program
included as part of the core or standard utils.

All the best,
Nick.



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From: Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org>
To: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>, 301030@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 23:34:07 +0200
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Hi,

martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org> (23/03/2005):
> Sure. For instance, to create a symlink farm, e.g.:
> 
>   $ tar xjf /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11.tar.bz2
>   $ mkdir suspend2-2.6.11
>   $ cd !$
>   $ lndir ../kernel-source-2.6.11

reminds me of a similar situation with kernel sources as well.

> Maybe I am doing something wrong. However, lndir is really useful
> and I have not found an alternative.

Did you submit it upstream as suggested by Clint? I'm not sure why
that's an open bug against xutils(-dev now) anyway. Until it's merged
upstream and available in a Debian package, I don't really see the
point in having it open against the xutils* package.

Mraw,
KiBi.
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From: Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
To: Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org>
Cc: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>, 301030@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 19:50:19 -0400
How does this differ from cp -rs or -rl?

Mike Stone





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From: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org>
To: Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Cc: Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org>, 301030-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#301030: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:55:37 +0200
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also sprach Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> [2010.04.05.0150 +0200]:
> How does this differ from cp -rs or -rl?

-rs does indeed do what lndir used to do. This must have been added
since. I suppose we can close the bug report then.

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