Debian Bug report logs - #289876
remove me from callwave, and then google me harder

Package: www.debian.org; Maintainer for www.debian.org is Debian WWW Team <debian-www@lists.debian.org>;

Reported by: paddy <paddy@panici.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:48:14 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Done: David Prévot <david@tilapin.org>

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Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, James Treacy and others <debian-www@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#289876; Package www.debian.org. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to paddy <paddy@panici.net>:
New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to James Treacy and others <debian-www@lists.debian.org>. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: paddy <paddy@panici.net>
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Subject: remove me from callwave, and then google me harder
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:40:41 +0000
Package: www.debian.org
Severity: wishlist

For some time debian-devel has suffered from chronic bouts of the
illnesses known only to medical science as

	"Duelling Banjos"
	"remove me from callwave"
	
and (it is rumoured)

	"Hot Babes"

The remedy seems simple, and has already been brought to the attention of
debian-www without apparent comment in a posting currently archived at:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2004/12/msg00331.html

In the meantime, and in the absense of a more sensible suggestion, 
I suggest that posters direct lost souls, by replying on list, to the 
archive of this bug-report, which I hope will appear somewhere under

http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2005/01/

Regards,
Paddy

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Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, James Treacy and others <debian-www@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#289876; Package www.debian.org. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <jfs@computer.org>:
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Message #10 received at 289876@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <jfs@computer.org>
To: paddy <paddy@panici.net>, 289876@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#289876: remove me from callwave, and then google me harder
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:43:35 +0100
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 02:40:41PM +0000, paddy wrote:
> The remedy seems simple, and has already been brought to the attention of
> debian-www without apparent comment in a posting currently archived at:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2004/12/msg00331.html

The comment does not actually include a page, I'm not going to waste my 
time writting one. It might get included into the website if someone else 
does it, though.

Regards

Javier



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Bug#289876; Package www.debian.org. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to paddy <paddy@panici.net>:
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Message #15 received at 289876@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: paddy <paddy@panici.net>
To: Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <jfs@computer.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#289876: remove me from callwave, and then google me harder
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:47:00 +0000
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 12:43:35AM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 02:40:41PM +0000, paddy wrote:
> > The remedy seems simple, and has already been brought to the attention of
> > debian-www without apparent comment in a posting currently archived at:
> > 
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2004/12/msg00331.html
> 
> The comment does not actually include a page, I'm not going to waste my 
> time writting one. It might get included into the website if someone else 
> does it, though.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Javier

Javier,

First of all, I'm not a DD - I don't know if this has any bearing, but I
thought I'd best get it up front.

I'd happily write such a page.  I imagine it should be as short and simple
as possible. How big is the manual I'm supposed to have read before I
can do this? Would something like the following help?

<HTML>
<TITLE> These are not the mailing lists you are looking for ... </TITLE>
<BODY>

<b>About the "Duelling Bajos effect"</b>

Sometimes people following links from search engines (and perhaps even links 
on pages on the internet) mistakenly identify debian mailing lists as
the places to ask about unrelated topics such as:

	Duelling Banjos

	Please remove me from callwave

	Hot Babes

No doubt these things get started by accident, but the repeated use of search
engines is believed to create a positive feedback loop:

	more and more people find links from these search terms to the
	lists and post there about them, only increasing the weighting 
	given in the search engine to debian as the destination.

<b>About this page</b>

This page exists to explain this phenomenom and provide links to the sort
after information.

In general, you can exclude debian from your seaches by simply negating 
debian in your search.

Here are some links:

<a href=http://www.google.com/search?q=duelling+banjos+-debian>duelling banjos</a?
<a href=http://www.google.com/search?q=remove+me+from+callwave+-debian>remove me from callwave</a>
<a href=http://www.google.com/search?q=hot+babes+-debian>hot babes</a>

If you have an interesting or informative story to share about your experiences
with the duelling banjos effect you can mailto: search_harder@debian.org

</BODY>
</HTML>

(probably those <b> should be headers)

Perhaps it doesn't need to be a page on it's own, and could form part of an
FAQ.  I do not know how this would interact with search engine weighting.
For that matter, putting up a page such as I suggest might make things worse.
I do not pretend to know.

Regards,
Paddy
-- 
Perl 6 will give you the big knob. -- Larry Wall



Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, James Treacy and others <debian-www@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#289876; Package www.debian.org. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <jfs@computer.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to James Treacy and others <debian-www@lists.debian.org>. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #20 received at 289876@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <jfs@computer.org>
To: paddy <paddy@panici.net>
Subject: Re: Bug#289876: remove me from callwave, and then google me harder
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:14:25 +0100
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:47:00AM +0000, paddy wrote:
> 
> First of all, I'm not a DD - I don't know if this has any bearing, but I
> thought I'd best get it up front.

There's no need to be a DD to contribute to Debian :-)

> I'd happily write such a page.  I imagine it should be as short and simple
> as possible. How big is the manual I'm supposed to have read before I
> can do this? Would something like the following help?

I think it does, actually. It moves the point from "nobody has written a 
page yet" to "do we want to?"

> Perhaps it doesn't need to be a page on it's own, and could form part of an
> FAQ.  

I think there is no mailing list FAQ yet. Maybe it should be written and 
available from lists.debian.org

> I do not know how this would interact with search engine weighting.

Unknown, search engines don't (fully) disclose the algorithms they use.

> For that matter, putting up a page such as I suggest might make things worse.
> I do not pretend to know.

Well, I think it makes thing worse, but maybe things need to get worse
before they start getting better. I really don't know. Maybe even having
Debian be the first hit on "hot babes" can derive people that would be
happily watching pXrn to contributing in an universal OS. Who knows

BTW. You did not CC: 289876@bugs.debian.org, I'm not sure if this is 
deliberate or not, do you mind if I bounce this mail there?

:-)

Regards

Javier
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Reply sent to David Prévot <david@tilapin.org>:
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Notification sent to paddy <paddy@panici.net>:
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Message #25 received at 289876-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Prévot <david@tilapin.org>
To: "Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña" <jfs@computer.org>, paddy <paddy@panici.net>, 289876-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#289876: remove me from callwave, and then google me harder
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:13:49 -0400
Le mercredi 12 janvier 2005 08:14:25, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a écrit :
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:47:00AM +0000, paddy wrote:

> > For that matter, putting up a page such as I suggest might make things
> > worse. I do not pretend to know.
> 
> Well, I think it makes thing worse,

Agreed, and the ongoing 




Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian WWW Team <debian-www@lists.debian.org>:
Bug#289876; Package www.debian.org. (Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:27:13 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to David Prévot <david@tilapin.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Debian WWW Team <debian-www@lists.debian.org>. (Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:27:13 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #30 received at 289876@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: David Prévot <david@tilapin.org>
Cc: Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <jfs@computer.org>, paddy <paddy@panici.net>, 289876@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Re: Bug#289876: remove me from callwave, and then google me harder
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:24:55 -0400
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[ I've been betrayed by my MUA, let me finish my sentence! ]

Le -10/01/-28163 15:59, David Prévot a écrit :
> Le mercredi 12 janvier 2005 08:14:25, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña a écrit :
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 10:47:00AM +0000, paddy wrote:
> 
>>> For that matter, putting up a page such as I suggest might make things
>>> worse. I do not pretend to know.
>>
>> Well, I think it makes thing worse,
> 
> Agreed, and the ongoing…

Agreed, and the ongoing work on Spam removal address better this issue IMHO.

http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam

Regards

David

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