Debian Bug report logs - #281639
[NONFREE-DOC:GFDL1.1ol] documentation is non-free

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Package: sed; Maintainer for sed is Clint Adams <clint@debian.org>; Source for sed is src:sed.

Reported by: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:03:06 UTC

Severity: normal

Tags: jessie, sarge-ignore, sid

Found in versions 4.1.2-1, sed/4.0.5-1, sed/4.1.4-4

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Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>:
Bug#281639; Package sed. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to "Brian M\. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx>:
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From: "Brian M\. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: sed: documentation is non-free
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:59:24 +0000
Package: sed
Version: 4.1.2-1
Severity: serious

The GNU Free Documentation License is non-free; please either (a) remove
the documentation from the package or (b) move the documentation to a
separate source package in non-free. Thank you.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers experimental
  APT policy: (501, 'experimental'), (501, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.9-1-k7
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) (ignored: LC_ALL set to C)

Versions of packages sed depends on:
ii  libc6                       2.3.2.ds1-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an

-- no debconf information



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Message #10 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>
To: bonzini@gnu.org
Cc: 281639@bugs.debian.org, "Brian M. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx>
Subject: Re: Bug#281639: sed: documentation is non-free
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:31:50 -0500
> The GNU Free Documentation License is non-free; please either (a) remove
> the documentation from the package or (b) move the documentation to a
> separate source package in non-free. Thank you.

Paolo, is there any chance of changing the sed manual license?



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Acknowledgement sent to Paolo Bonzini <paolo.bonzini@lu.unisi.ch>:
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Message #15 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Paolo Bonzini <paolo.bonzini@lu.unisi.ch>
To: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>
Cc: bonzini@gnu.org, 281639@bugs.debian.org, "Brian M. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx>
Subject: Re: Bug#281639: sed: documentation is non-free
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:03:16 +0100
Clint Adams wrote:
> > The GNU Free Documentation License is non-free; please either (a) remove
> > the documentation from the package or (b) move the documentation to a
> > separate source package in non-free. Thank you.
> 
> Paolo, is there any chance of changing the sed manual license?

The manual is free as long as there are no invariant sections, isn't it?

Paolo



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Message #20 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org>
To: "Brian M. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx>
Cc: 281639@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: sed: documentation is non-free
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:45:44 +0000
tags 281639 sarge-ignore
thanks

On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 12:59:24AM +0000, Brian M. Carlson wrote:
> Package: sed
> Version: 4.1.2-1
> Severity: serious
> 
> The GNU Free Documentation License is non-free; please either (a) remove
> the documentation from the package or (b) move the documentation to a
> separate source package in non-free. Thank you.

You are not required to do this for sarge.

-- 
Colin Watson                                       [cjwatson@debian.org]



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Message #27 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>
To: Paolo Bonzini <paolo.bonzini@lu.unisi.ch>, 281639@bugs.debian.org
Cc: bonzini@gnu.org, "Brian M. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx>
Subject: Re: Bug#281639: sed: documentation is non-free
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:43:30 -0500
> The manual is free as long as there are no invariant sections, isn't it?

I think there was a consensus previously that the GNU FDL was free as
long as there were no Invariant Sections or Cover Texts.

I think the current consensus may be as is described at
http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml .

This issue gets an exemption for the sarge release policy,
http://release.debian.org/sarge_rc_policy.txt .

Hopefully Mr. Carlson will jump in here if I've completely failed to
understand the issue.

If the documentation could be relicensed under the GPL, or dual-licensed
under the GPL and FDL, I think everyone might be satisfied.  I could be
mistaken about this as well.



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Message #32 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx (Brian M. Carlson)
To: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>
Cc: "Brian M. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx>, 281639@bugs.debian.org, bonzini@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bug#281639: sed: documentation is non-free
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:30:44 +0000
Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org> writes:

> Did you mean to Cc this to sed upstream and the bug?

Yes, I did. Fixed.

>> I think this was the consensus previously, but it is no longer.  For
>> example, secion 4I allows one to create a 10,000 word "Ode to My
>> Goldfish" in the History section which then cannot be modified.  Plus
>> there is the DRM restriction.  Also, 4K is non-free.  4N may be.
>> 
>> > I think the current consensus may be as is described at
>> > http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml .
>> 
>> I believe so.
>> 
>> > This issue gets an exemption for the sarge release policy,
>> > http://release.debian.org/sarge_rc_policy.txt .
>> 
>> Yes, it does, *if* the release managers tag it sarge-ignore.  However,
>> that does not excuse you from fixing the bug (which some maintainers
>> seem to think).
>> 
>> > Hopefully Mr. Carlson will jump in here if I've completely failed to
>> > understand the issue.
>> 
>> Don't worry, it's a complicated issue, and a complicated license.
>> 
>> > If the documentation could be relicensed under the GPL, or dual-licensed
>> > under the GPL and FDL, I think everyone might be satisfied.  I could be
>> > mistaken about this as well.
>> 
>> As long as one of the alternatives is free, everyone can be happy.
>> So, for example, if it were relicensed under the FDL and GPL, that's
>> fine, because the GPL is free (according to the DFSG).  This is
>> similar to Qt.
>> 
>> Anyway, I appreciate your prompt response to this bug.




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Message #37 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>
To: "Brian M. Carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx>
Cc: 281639@bugs.debian.org, bonzini@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bug#281639: sed: documentation is non-free
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:53:21 -0500
> >> Yes, it does, *if* the release managers tag it sarge-ignore.  However,
> >> that does not excuse you from fixing the bug (which some maintainers
> >> seem to think).

They have tagged it sarge-ignore already.

> >> As long as one of the alternatives is free, everyone can be happy.
> >> So, for example, if it were relicensed under the FDL and GPL, that's
> >> fine, because the GPL is free (according to the DFSG).  This is
> >> similar to Qt.
> >> 
> >> Anyway, I appreciate your prompt response to this bug.

I would prefer a relicensing over removing the docs, I think.



Bug marked as found in version 4.0.5-1. Request was from Piotr Engelking <inkerman42@gmail.com> to control@bugs.debian.org. Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Bug marked as found in version 4.1.4-4. Request was from Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org. Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Message #48 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nathanael Nerode <neroden@fastmail.fm>
To: bonzini@gnu.org, ken@gnu.org
Cc: 281639@bugs.debian.org, debian-legal@lists.debian.org
Subject: Would you consider dual-licensing the sed docs?
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:11:25 -0500
Hello again Paulo -- and hi Ken.

For the sed docs to be considered free enough for Debian main, it would be 
best if they were dual-licensed under the GPL as well as the GFDL (since the 
GFDL is problematic).

This can be done in one of two ways:
(1) getting the FSF to agree to it
(Getting the FSF to agree to any such changes has proven difficult for what I 
can only describe as political reasons.)
OR
(2) getting all the copyright-worthy contributors to agree to it

I checked with the FSF a while back, and under the copyright assignments we 
fill out for the FSF, we retain the right to dual-license our contributions 
under the GPL.

It appears that the only contributors of significant amounts to the manual are 
you two (Paolo Bonzini and Ken Pizzini).

So, if you two are both willing to dual-license the manual under the GPL, 
please say so!  It would be ideal if dual-licensing statements went in the 
upstream package, but we could also just put your statements in the debian 
package.

GFDL-only docs are being removed from Debian "main" for the next release, 
until we can work out the little "bugs" in the license with the FSF (which is 
taking much longer than it should), and it would be nice if we could keep the 
sed docs in Debian main.

Sincerely,
  Nathanael Nerode



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Message #53 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Nathanael Nerode <neroden@twcny.rr.com>
To: 281639@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Good news on the sed docs
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:11:34 -0500
I am pleased to say that both of the authors of the sed manual have agreed to
dual-license it under the GPL.  A notice to this effect should be present in
the next upstream release of sed.

In the meantime you can use these quotes from their emails in reply to the
message with the subject "Would you consider dual-licensing the sed docs?",
which is preserved earlier in the bug trail:

(Paolo Bonzini)
>No problem from me, though I believe that manuals without Invariant
>Sections are free IMHO.
>
>Is there a package that is already dual-licensing, so that I can copy
>the boilerplate stuff?
>
>Paolo
(The answer was that I couldn't find one, but I suggested some boilerplate
to him.)

(Ken Pizzini)
>> You're still willing to license them under the GPL too though?
>
>Yes.
>
>                --Ken Pizzini

So, one RC bug nearly done.

-- 
Nathanael Nerode  <neroden@twcny.rr.com>

[Insert famous quote here]



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From: Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>
To: Nathanael Nerode <neroden@twcny.rr.com>, 281639@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#281639: Good news on the sed docs
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:40:33 -0500
> So, one RC bug nearly done.

Excellent.



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Message #69 received at 281639@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org>
To: 281639@bugs.debian.org
Cc: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Subject: Re: Bug#281639: sed: documentation is non-free
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 23:43:13 +0100
* Clint Adams <schizo@debian.org>, 2004-11-17, 11:43:
>>The manual is free as long as there are no invariant sections, isn't 
>>it?
>I think there was a consensus previously that the GNU FDL was free as 
>long as there were no Invariant Sections or Cover Texts.

Indeed. So the bug should be closed...

>If the documentation could be relicensed under the GPL, or 
>dual-licensed under the GPL and FDL, I think everyone might be 
>satisfied.

...or, if someone still cares about dual-licensing, retitled.

-- 
Jakub Wilk



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