Debian Bug report logs - #271859
service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Hood <jdthood@yahoo.co.uk>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: service admin touches all rc symlinks

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:21:56 +0200

Package: gnome-system-tools
Version: 0.92.0-1
Severity: normal

I enabled _one_ service using the "Services Settings".  One rc symlink
was added but  _every_ rc symlink had its modification time updated.
This destroyed all information about when those symlinks were last changed.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 3.1
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (50, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.8.1
Locale: LANG=en_IE@euro, LC_CTYPE=en_IE@euro

Versions of packages gnome-system-tools depends on:
ii  libart-2.0-2              2.3.16-6       Library of functions for 2D graphi
ii  libatk1.0-0               1.6.1-3        The ATK accessibility toolkit
ii  libbonobo2-0              2.6.2-6        Bonobo CORBA interfaces library
ii  libbonoboui2-0            2.6.1-1        The Bonobo UI library
ii  libc6                     2.3.2.ds1-16   GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libgconf2-4               2.6.4-2        GNOME configuration database syste
ii  libglade2-0               1:2.4.0-1      Library to load .glade files at ru
ii  libglib2.0-0              2.4.6-2        The GLib library of C routines
ii  libgnome2-0               2.6.1.2-2      The GNOME 2 library - runtime file
ii  libgnomecanvas2-0         2.6.1.1-2      A powerful object-oriented display
ii  libgnomeui-0              2.6.1.1-4      The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interf
ii  libgnomevfs2-0            2.6.2-2        The GNOME virtual file-system libr
ii  libgtk2.0-0               2.4.9-1        The GTK+ graphical user interface 
ii  libice6                   4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii  liborbit2                 1:2.10.2-1.1   libraries for ORBit2 - a CORBA ORB
ii  libpango1.0-0             1.4.1-2        Layout and rendering of internatio
ii  libpopt0                  1.7-4          lib for parsing cmdline parameters
ii  libsm6                    4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 X Window System Session Management
ii  libxml2                   2.6.11-3       GNOME XML library
ii  perl                      5.8.4-2        Larry Wall's Practical Extraction 
ii  xlibs                     4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 X Window System client libraries m
ii  zlib1g                    1:1.2.1.1-7    compression library - runtime

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Message #10 received at 271859@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Hood <jdthood@aglu.demon.nl>

To: 271859@bugs.debian.org

Subject: gnome-system-tools whole boot sequence without asking

Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:24:19 +0200

severity 271859 serious
retitle 271859 service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking
thanks

I looked into the issue I originally complained about in #271859 (viz.,
changing of modification times) and I discovered, to my horror, that
enabling one service had changed most (but not all) of the sequence
numbers in most (but not all) runlevel directories!

In this test I enabled service 'alsactl' while I was in runlevel 3.  An
S symlink for alsactl was indeed added to /etc/rc3.d/.  However, look at
what changed in runlevel 2:

Before:

./                S20alsa@            S20laptop-mode@  S20webmin@      S91vmware@
../               S20apmd@            S20makedev@      S20xprint@      S99fetchmail@
S10sysklogd@      S20binfmt-support@  S20netapplet@    S21nfs-common@  S99gdm@
S11klogd@         S20cupsys@          S20nscd@         S30squid@       S99linuxlogo@
S14ppp@           S20dbus-1@          S20pcmcia@       S50systune@     S99rmnologin@
S15dnsmasq@       S20fam@             S20postfix@      S89atd@         S99stop-bootlogd@
S18portmap@       S20gpm@             S20samba@        S89cron@        S99tpctl@
S19spamassassin@  S20ifplugd@         S20ssh@          S89fcron@
S20acpid@         S20inetd@           S20waproamd@     S91apache@

After:

./              S45acpid@           S45inetd@         S45webmin@   S91vmware@
../             S45alsa@            S45laptop-mode@   S45xprint@   S93fetchmail@
S10sysklogd@    S45apmd@            S45makedev@       S46samba@    S99gdm@
S11klogd@       S45binfmt-support@  S45nscd@          S47squid@    S99linuxlogo@
S14ppp@         S45cupsys@          S45pcmcia@        S50systune@  S99rmnologin@
S15dnsmasq@     S45dbus-1@          S45postfix@       S55apache@   S99stop-bootlogd@
S20netapplet@   S45fam@             S45spamassassin@  S55atd@      S99tpctl@
S21nfs-common@  S45gpm@             S45ssh@           S89cron@
S22portmap@     S45ifplugd@         S45waproamd@      S89fcron@


DO NOT CHANGE MY WHOLE BOOT SEQUENCE WITHOUT ASKING.

--
Thomas Hood

Message #17 received at 271859-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>

To: 271859-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:12:14 -0700

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Thomas,

Does this bug affect version 0.90.0-3 of gnome-system-tools in testing?
I'm rather disinclined to check this out for myself on a live system.
:-)

-- 
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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Message #22 received at 271859@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Hood <jdthood@aglu.demon.nl>

To: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>, 271859@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#271859: service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking

Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:41:21 +0200

On Sat, 2004-09-25 at 05:12, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Does this bug affect version 0.90.0-3 of gnome-system-tools in testing?


Unfortunately, yes.  Here are "before" and "after" directory listings.

root@thanatos:/etc/rc2.d# l
./                S20apmd@            S20pcmcia@      S89fcron@
../               S20binfmt-support@  S20postfix@     S91apache@
S10sysklogd@      S20cupsys@          S20ssh@         S91samba@
S11klogd@         S20dbus-1@          S20waproamd@    S91vmware@
S14ppp@           S20fam@             S20webmin@      S99fetchmail@
S15dnsmasq@       S20gpm@             S20xprint@      S99gdm@
S18portmap@       S20ifplugd@         S21nfs-common@  S99linuxlogo@
S19nscd@          S20inetd@           S30squid@       S99rmnologin@
S19spamassassin@  S20laptop-mode@     S50systune@     S99stop-bootlogd@
S20acpid@         S20makedev@         S89atd@         S99tpctl@
S20alsa@          S20netapplet@       S89cron@
root@thanatos:/etc/rc2.d# l
./              S45apmd@            S45pcmcia@        S66samba@
../             S45binfmt-support@  S45postfix@       S89cron@
S10sysklogd@    S45cupsys@          S45spamassassin@  S89fcron@
S11klogd@       S45dbus-1@          S45ssh@           S91vmware@
S14ppp@         S45fam@             S45waproamd@      S93fetchmail@
S15dnsmasq@     S45gpm@             S45webmin@        S99alsactl@
S20netapplet@   S45ifplugd@         S45xprint@        S99gdm@
S21nfs-common@  S45inetd@           S47squid@         S99linuxlogo@
S22portmap@     S45laptop-mode@     S50systune@       S99rmnologin@
S45acpid@       S45makedev@         S55apache@        S99stop-bootlogd@
S45alsa@        S45nscd@            S55atd@           S99tpctl@
root@thanatos:/etc/rc2.d# dpkg -l gnome-system-tools|grep gnome
ii  gnome-system-t 0.90.0-3       Cross-platform configuration utilitie


The network admin module also has bugs that I consider to be serious.  I
would like to see both the service admin and network admin modules
disabled for writing until such time as they have been fixed.
-- 
Thomas Hood

Message #27 received at 271859@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>

To: vorlon@debianorg, Thomas Hood <jdthood@aglu.demon.nl>, 271859@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#271859: service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking

Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:12:31 +0200

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On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 09:41:21AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-09-25 at 05:12, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Does this bug affect version 0.90.0-3 of gnome-system-tools in testing?
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, yes.  Here are "before" and "after" directory listings.

[...]

> 
> The network admin module also has bugs that I consider to be serious.  I
> would like to see both the service admin and network admin modules
> disabled for writing until such time as they have been fixed.

 Sorry, but as I can agree with you about service admin module, I have
 to disagree you again about network adin module. Of course there is a
 bug in this one which should be fixed, but disabling it is mostly a
 loss for the novice users, which are the goal of these tools.

 Anyway, I'll try yo put in contact with upstream, to talk about this.

 Cheers,

-- 
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
   jsogo@debian.org

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Message #34 received at 271859@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>

To: Thomas Hood <jdthood@aglu.demon.nl>

Cc: 271859@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#271859: service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking

Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:46:35 -0700

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On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 09:41:21AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-09-25 at 05:12, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > Does this bug affect version 0.90.0-3 of gnome-system-tools in testing?

> Unfortunately, yes.  Here are "before" and "after" directory listings.

> The network admin module also has bugs that I consider to be serious.  I
> would like to see both the service admin and network admin modules
> disabled for writing until such time as they have been fixed.

In that case, I think it's best to remove gnome-system-tools from
testing until this is sorted out.  I've tagged the package for removal.

Regards,
-- 
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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Message #39 received at 271859@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>

To: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>, 271859@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#271859: service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking

Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:04:20 +0200

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On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 02:46:35AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 09:41:21AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-09-25 at 05:12, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > Does this bug affect version 0.90.0-3 of gnome-system-tools in testing?
> 
> > Unfortunately, yes.  Here are "before" and "after" directory listings.
> 
> > The network admin module also has bugs that I consider to be serious.  I
> > would like to see both the service admin and network admin modules
> > disabled for writing until such time as they have been fixed.
> 
> In that case, I think it's best to remove gnome-system-tools from
> testing until this is sorted out.  I've tagged the package for removal.

 I have just uploaded a new version (1.0.0-1) which only contains new
 translations for GNOME 2.8 release, disabling service admin tool.
 Network tool works fine for an usual end user (which is usually the
 user of such tools). Thomas has some powerful network configuration,
 which tools cannot cope with right now. As I have said before, I agree
 that these bugs need to be fixed.

 BTW, take into account that removing g-s-t from testing will break
 gnome meta-package.

 Cheers,

-- 
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
   jsogo@debian.org

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Message #44 received at 271859-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>

To: 271859-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#271859: fixed in gnome-system-tools 1.0.0-1

Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 06:02:05 -0400

Source: gnome-system-tools
Source-Version: 1.0.0-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
gnome-system-tools, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

gnome-system-tools_1.0.0-1.diff.gz
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_1.0.0-1.diff.gz
gnome-system-tools_1.0.0-1.dsc
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_1.0.0-1.dsc
gnome-system-tools_1.0.0-1_i386.deb
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_1.0.0-1_i386.deb
gnome-system-tools_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/gnome-system-tools_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz
ximian-setup-tools_1.0.0-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/g/gnome-system-tools/ximian-setup-tools_1.0.0-1_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 271859@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org> (supplier of updated gnome-system-tools package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)


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Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:56:25 +0200
Source: gnome-system-tools
Binary: ximian-setup-tools gnome-system-tools
Architecture: source i386 all
Version: 1.0.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>
Changed-By: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>
Description: 
 gnome-system-tools - Cross-platform configuration utilities for GNOME
 ximian-setup-tools - Cross-platform configuration utilities for GNOME (transitional pa
Closes: 188425 271859
Changes: 
 gnome-system-tools (1.0.0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream release
      + Updated translations for GNOME 2.8 release
 .
   * debian/rules:
      + Don't build services tool, as it is causing lot of troubles in Debian,
      moving around services. (Closes: #271859, 188425)
 .
   * debian/patches:
      + 10_relibtoolize: updated
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Message #49 received at 271859@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Thomas Hood <jdthood@aglu.demon.nl>

To: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>, 271859@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#271859: service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking

Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:02:23 +0200

On Sun, 2004-09-26 at 11:46, Steve Langasek wrote:
> In that case, I think it's best to remove gnome-system-tools from
> testing until this is sorted out.  I've tagged the package for removal.


No objections.


Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote:
>  Sorry, but as I can agree with you about service admin module, I have
>  to disagree you again about network adin module. Of course there is a
>  bug in this one which should be fixed, but disabling it is mostly a
>  loss for the novice users, which are the goal of these tools.


I will accept whatever decision is finally made about this.  However, I
do wish to express my opinion that novices are not greatly benefitted by
buggy administration tools.


>  Thomas has some powerful network configuration,
>  which tools cannot cope with right now. As I have said before, I agree
>  that these bugs need to be fixed.


I don't want the best to be the arch enemy of the good.  However, I
think that administration tools should meet certain minimum standards in
order to be considered to be of release quality.  At a mininum, e.g.,
the tool shouldn't break if it encounters configurations that it isn't
currently competent to manage.  This holds especially for tools directed
at novices.  It holds especially, too, when the non-understood
configurations are endorsed by the distribution via its man pages and
reference manuals.

Given that there are valid networking configurations that network admin
isn't competent to manage, I think that either

* network admin should be disabled entirely, or
* network admin should be disabled for writing, or
* network admin should be disabled for writing when it finds an
  /etc/network/interfaces file that is more complicated than it
  is currently able to understand.

I haven't looked at the source but I would expect that at least one of
the above would be reasonably easy to do.

-- 
Thomas

Message #60 received at 271859-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>

To: 271859-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking

Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:50:16 -0700

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The version of gnome-system-tools originally closing this report has
reached testing; therefore, I judge that it is in keeping with the
maintainer's intention to close the bug now, since Jose did not remove
the "sarge" tag with the follow-up comments about further changes to the
network admin module.  Those bugs may be better addressed with a
separate bug report.

-- 
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer

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Message #65 received at 271859@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>

To: 271859@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#271859: marked as done (service admin reorders whole boot sequence without asking)

Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:38:17 +0200

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> Received: (at 271859-done) by bugs.debian.org; 2 Oct 2004 03:50:14 +0000
> >From vorlon@debian.org Fri Oct 01 20:50:14 2004


> The version of gnome-system-tools originally closing this report has
> reached testing; therefore, I judge that it is in keeping with the
> maintainer's intention to close the bug now, since Jose did not remove
> the "sarge" tag with the follow-up comments about further changes to the
> network admin module.  Those bugs may be better addressed with a
> separate bug report.

  Yes, basically those other problems with network are filled yet as
separate bugs. Or at least I haven't received any other bug from Thomas
complaining. I am trying to take a look at them with upstream.
  
Thanks

-- 
Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
   jsogo@debian.org

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