Debian Bug report logs - #224163
ITP: pvpgn -- Player vs. Player Gaming Network

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Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>

Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:48:06 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Fixed in version pvpgn/1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1

Done: Robert Millan <rmh@debian.org>

Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.

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From: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Cc: "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Subject: ITP: pvpgn -- Player vs. Player Gaming Network
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:28:50 +0100
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

* Package name    : pvpgn
  Version         : 1.6pre1
  Upstream Author : Unknown
* URL             : http://www.pvpgn.de/
* License         : Unknown
  Description     : Player vs. Player Gaming Network

The "Unknown" above are because due to technical problems (404) the source
is not downloadable atm so I can't check.

Dennis L. Clark <dbugger@debian.org>, maintainer of the bnetd package, should
have preference over me in taking this package (if he wants to).

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-- 
Robert Millan

"[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the
thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he
gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work."

 -- J.R.R.T, Ainulindale (Silmarillion)



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From: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
To: Mihai RUSU <dizzy@roedu.net>
Cc: 224163@bugs.debian.org, AmAdEuS <amadeo@world-of-amadeus.de>, Birzan George Cristian <ymir@wolfheart.ro>, "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Subject: Re: debian PvPGN
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:51:00 +0100
[ Please keep the CC to 224163@bugs.debian.org ]

On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 03:04:26PM +0200, Mihai RUSU wrote:
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> 
> Hi
> 
> We have received an email from you (as a Debian project member) that you 
> would like to have PvPGN into Debian. We whould like that very much as we 
> have worked very hard on this project. However I know a little bit about 
> Debian and I know that Debian is very sensitive to "legal" status of 
> projects.
> 
> [...]

I'm aware of the problem with bnetd. I'm not well-versed in legal stuff but
this shouldn't be a showstopper for Debian. We have bnetd already and that
isn't a legal problem for us at least untill Blizzard wins the trial, if ever.

> [...] Thus we forked PvPGN. Because of the trial, the 
> PvPGN legal status is probably fuzzy. We took measures like to not have 
> direct links for download from our official site (www.pvpgn.org),

Uhm.. that explains why I got a 404 error when attempting to obtain the
source. Could you provide me with a link? Note if you provide it, the link
will be made public by Debian. If that's a problem, it is acceptable for me
if you send me a private mail with instructions on obtaining the sources.

> our main 
> activity goes over the IRC (the last "free" post), etc...

Which network / channel?

> However, if you are still interested, please check out 
> http://wolfheart.ro/files/debian/pvpgn/1.6/ the place where our Debian 
> packager keeps his last updated files (I have added him as Cc to this 
> email). Probably most of the details about Debian and PvPGN will be said 
> between you two (but please keep me at Cc: thanks!).

I will, thanks.

-- 
Robert Millan

"[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the
thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he
gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work."

 -- J.R.R.T, Ainulindale (Silmarillion)



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From: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org
Cc: 224163@bugs.debian.org, "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Subject: pvpgn ITP
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:09:31 +0100
Hi!

I recently ITPed pvpgn (#224163) and would like to ensure there's no legal
problem adding it to Debian.

The background:

 - pvpgn is a fork of the (dead) bnetd project.
 - bnetd was sued by Blizzard on basis of the DMCA, the current legal status
   is undetermined
 - in Debian, we already have packages of bnetd, maintained by Dennis L. Clark
   (CCed).

I think there should be no problem, specialy since pvpgn hasn't recieved any
notice from Blizzard, and they're hosted in Germany where the DMCA doesn't
apply. I'd appreciate advice though. Is it ok for main or should it be
uploaded to non-us?

-- 
Robert Millan

"[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the
thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he
gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work."

 -- J.R.R.T., Ainulindale (Silmarillion)



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Message #20 received at 224163@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>
To: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>, debian-legal@lists.debian.org
Cc: 224163@bugs.debian.org, "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Subject: Re: pvpgn ITP
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:34:56 +0900
On Monday December 29 2003 05:09, Robert Millan wrote:
> I think there should be no problem, specialy since pvpgn hasn't recieved
> any notice from Blizzard, and they're hosted in Germany where the DMCA
> doesn't apply. (...)

DMCA doesn't apply there, but the local flavour of EUCD (European Union 
Copyright Directive) does, which is, if I recall correctly, even worse than 
the DMCA...

Mike




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From: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org
Cc: 224163@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: pvpgn ITP
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:51:33 +0100
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 01:34:56PM +0900, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Monday December 29 2003 05:09, Robert Millan wrote:
> > I think there should be no problem, specialy since pvpgn hasn't recieved
> > any notice from Blizzard, and they're hosted in Germany where the DMCA
> > doesn't apply. (...)
> 
> DMCA doesn't apply there, but the local flavour of EUCD (European Union 
> Copyright Directive) does, which is, if I recall correctly, even worse than 
> the DMCA...

What is the legal status, then?

Does the EUCD forbid redistribution even if the pvpgn hackers haven't
recieved any notification from Blizzard?

If so, will the situation change?

-- 
Robert Millan

"[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the
thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he
gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work."

 -- J.R.R.T., Ainulindale (Silmarillion)



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From: Anthony DeRobertis <asd@suespammers.org>
To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, 224163@bugs.debian.org, Dennis L. Clark <dbugger@debian.org>
Subject: Re: pvpgn ITP
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:52:34 -0500
On Dec 28, 2003, at 15:09, Robert Millan wrote:

>  - pvpgn is a fork of the (dead) bnetd project.
>  - bnetd was sued by Blizzard on basis of the DMCA, the current legal 
> status
>    is undetermined
>  - in Debian, we already have packages of bnetd, maintained by Dennis 
> L. Clark
>    (CCed).

I'd say put it in main, right beside bnetd.

If Blizzard decides to send Debian a DMCA notice, we can deal with that 
then. But since they haven't for bnetd, I find it unlikely.




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From: Mihai RUSU <dizzy@roedu.net>
To: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
Cc: 224163@bugs.debian.org, AmAdEuS <amadeo@world-of-amadeus.de>, Birzan George Cristian <ymir@wolfheart.ro>, "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Subject: Re: debian PvPGN
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:01:40 +0200 (EET)
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Hi Robert

Sorry for the delay (this took a while to have all the members agreement).

We are very anxious to see PvPGN in Debian. I will answer your questions 
bellow.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Robert Millan wrote:

> Uhm.. that explains why I got a 404 error when attempting to obtain the
> source. Could you provide me with a link? Note if you provide it, the link
> will be made public by Debian. If that's a problem, it is acceptable for me
> if you send me a private mail with instructions on obtaining the sources.

We will release our files to sourceforge.net/projects/pvpgn starting with 
the upcoming 1.6.0beta release. So they will be as public as it gets :)

Until that will happen you might check the URL I given you earlier with 
some already maintained .deb files.

> > our main 
> > activity goes over the IRC (the last "free" post), etc...
> 
> Which network / channel?

irc.pvpgn.org/#pvpgn

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From: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
To: Mihai RUSU <dizzy@roedu.net>
Cc: 224163@bugs.debian.org, AmAdEuS <amadeo@world-of-amadeus.de>, Birzan George Cristian <ymir@wolfheart.ro>, "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Subject: Re: debian PvPGN
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:21:27 +0100
On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 07:01:40PM +0200, Mihai RUSU wrote:
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> 
> Hi Robert
> 
> Sorry for the delay (this took a while to have all the members agreement).
> 
> We are very anxious to see PvPGN in Debian. I will answer your questions 
> bellow.

Seems like the legal status is ok now:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200312/msg00334.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/debian-legal-200401/msg00004.html

So I'll upload it.

There's also the problem that the package lacks documentation, but we'll
hopefuly get to fix this later on.

> We will release our files to sourceforge.net/projects/pvpgn starting with 
> the upcoming 1.6.0beta release. So they will be as public as it gets :)

I found the sources for 1.6.0pre3 already, upon which my debian package is
based. I'll upload this for now and update it when appropiate.

> Until that will happen you might check the URL I given you earlier with 
> some already maintained .deb files.

No need for that. I've re-packaged it using more modern packaging techniques,
and I'll maintain the package within debian. If someone else wants to
participate in maintaining the package for debian, though, per'll be welcome
to and count with my support.

> > > our main 
> > > activity goes over the IRC (the last "free" post), etc...
> > 
> > Which network / channel?
> 
> irc.pvpgn.org/#pvpgn

Ok. Btw, do you have a mailing list or BTS? If not, which is the appopiate
place to forward bug reports and patches from the debian package users?

-- 
Robert Millan

"[..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the
thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he
gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work."

 -- J.R.R.T., Ainulindale (Silmarillion)



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From: Mihai RUSU <dizzy@roedu.net>
To: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
Cc: 224163@bugs.debian.org, AmAdEuS <amadeo@world-of-amadeus.de>, Birzan George Cristian <ymir@wolfheart.ro>, "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Subject: Re: debian PvPGN
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:52:30 +0200 (EET)
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Hi Robert

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Robert Millan wrote:

> Seems like the legal status is ok now:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200312/msg00334.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/debian-legal-200401/msg00004.html

Glad to see that :)

> There's also the problem that the package lacks documentation, but we'll
> hopefuly get to fix this later on.

Yes, documentation is a problem. But we have a online "unofficial" FAQ
(http://pvpgn.ez15loan.com/) wich covers almost every aspect of PvPGN
installation and configuration.  We also started to write good
documentation into the docs directory (I dont remember if this was added
after 1.6.0pre3 but you might want to either check a 1.6.0pre5 or wait for
the sf.net 1.6.0beta release). There is also some ongoing project to write
a Configuration.html file mostly like the one in proftpd/apache to
describe every configuration option, default value, examples,
compatibility etc.

> No need for that. I've re-packaged it using more modern packaging techniques,
> and I'll maintain the package within debian. If someone else wants to
> participate in maintaining the package for debian, though, per'll be welcome
> to and count with my support.

Ok thanks! As I said earlier you might want to check pre5 or wait for the 
beta (the beta->pre5 ChangeLog is quite huge, not to mention the 
pre5->pre3 one hehe, many bugfixes and most important support for latest 
clients like War3 1.14b).

> > irc.pvpgn.org/#pvpgn
> 
> Ok. Btw, do you have a mailing list or BTS? If not, which is the appopiate
> place to forward bug reports and patches from the debian package users?

We have online forums which we (the team) try to offer as much support as 
we have time to. So that would be our preffered support method for the 
moment (besides the online IRC support). We are considering of using 
sf.net "tracker" for modern bugtraqing within the project.

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From: "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
To: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>
Cc: Mihai RUSU <dizzy@roedu.net>, 224163@bugs.debian.org, AmAdEuS <amadeo@world-of-amadeus.de>, Birzan George Cristian <ymir@wolfheart.ro>
Subject: Re: debian PvPGN
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:27:23 -0500
On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 09:21, Robert Millan wrote:
> 
> Seems like the legal status is ok now:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200312/msg00334.html
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/debian-legal-200401/msg00004.html
> 
> So I'll upload it.

Cool. 

> > We will release our files to sourceforge.net/projects/pvpgn starting with 
> > the upcoming 1.6.0beta release. So they will be as public as it gets :)
> 
> I found the sources for 1.6.0pre3 already, upon which my debian package is
> based. I'll upload this for now and update it when appropiate.
> 

>From what I've read on the site, it seems that support for D2 v1.10
wasn't added until 1.6.0pre4.  Since that is what interests me most with
pvpgn right now, it'd be cool if you could apply the pre4 updates to
your package so I can help test it.

> > Until that will happen you might check the URL I given you earlier with 
> > some already maintained .deb files.
> 
> No need for that. I've re-packaged it using more modern packaging techniques,
> and I'll maintain the package within debian. If someone else wants to
> participate in maintaining the package for debian, though, per'll be welcome
> to and count with my support.

I would like to participate.  I should have a bit more time to help out
now than I have had in the past couple of months.  I suspect you are a
more proficient packager than I, but I may be able to help with some
things.

BTW does anyone know of any issues of data-file compatibility between
different versions of pvpgn?  One of the best things I liked about
Debian is its robustness with upgrades, so if there are
incompatibilities, then we should have the maintainer scripts
automatically upgrade or downgrade any data files as needed.  If data
file formats are changed frequently, we may want to keep seperate pvpgn
and pvpgn-devel packages.  If we could have scripts to upgrade bnetd
data files to pvpgn, that would be even better. 

Also, I'm curious as to the level of support you are looking to
providing for SQL-database storage setups.


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From: "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
To: Mihai RUSU <dizzy@roedu.net>
Cc: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>, 224163@bugs.debian.org, AmAdEuS <amadeo@world-of-amadeus.de>, Birzan George Cristian <ymir@wolfheart.ro>
Subject: Re: debian PvPGN
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:31:28 -0500
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On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 12:01, Mihai RUSU wrote:
> > > our main 
> > > activity goes over the IRC (the last "free" post), etc...
> > 
> > Which network / channel?
> 
> irc.pvpgn.org/#pvpgn

During what hours (UTC) do the developers hang out there?

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From: Mihai RUSU <dizzy@roedu.net>
To: "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Cc: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>, 224163@bugs.debian.org, AmAdEuS <amadeo@world-of-amadeus.de>, Birzan George Cristian <ymir@wolfheart.ro>
Subject: Re: debian PvPGN
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:51:10 +0200 (EET)
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Dennis L. Clark wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 12:01, Mihai RUSU wrote:
> > > > our main 
> > > > activity goes over the IRC (the last "free" post), etc...
> > > 
> > > Which network / channel?
> > 
> > irc.pvpgn.org/#pvpgn
> 
> During what hours (UTC) do the developers hang out there?

heh :)

I can speak for myself only, in the weekend I should be between 10 UTC and 
22 UTC, in workdays I should be between 19 UTC and 22 UTC. Thats why we 
have forums ;)

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From: Mihai RUSU <dizzy@roedu.net>
To: "Dennis L. Clark" <dbugger@debian.org>
Cc: Robert Millan <zeratul2@wanadoo.es>, 224163@bugs.debian.org, AmAdEuS <amadeo@world-of-amadeus.de>, Birzan George Cristian <ymir@wolfheart.ro>
Subject: Re: debian PvPGN
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Dennis L. Clark wrote:

> From what I've read on the site, it seems that support for D2 v1.10
> wasn't added until 1.6.0pre4.  Since that is what interests me most with
> pvpgn right now, it'd be cool if you could apply the pre4 updates to
> your package so I can help test it.

Pre4 only supported "Open Battle.Net" D2 1.10 games (which actually take 
place between players and they use the server just for meeting, chating).

Only starting with 1.6.0pre5 we added support for the d2gs 1.10 version. 
For many of you this all stuff may sound cryptic, the FAQ explains this 
things well: http://pvpgn.ez15loan.com/

> BTW does anyone know of any issues of data-file compatibility between
> different versions of pvpgn?  One of the best things I liked about
> Debian is its robustness with upgrades, so if there are
> incompatibilities, then we should have the maintainer scripts
> automatically upgrade or downgrade any data files as needed.  If data
> file formats are changed frequently, we may want to keep seperate pvpgn
> and pvpgn-devel packages.  If we could have scripts to upgrade bnetd
> data files to pvpgn, that would be even better. 

I can depict this upgrade "problems" into 2 categories:
- - config files
- - data files

Because we started PvPGN on bnetd,  bnetd.conf file have the same names 
and retain the same directives and meanings (I might be wrong that one or two 
directives where renamed or removed but in general Im right). When you 
start PvPGN (and I think even bnetd) it will ignore the unknown directives 
giving a warning about them to stdout. So I could say we should be pretty 
compatible with bnetd bnetd.conf file. There are also other config files, 
one who for sure it wont work from bnetd is the ad.list (the file 
configuring the banners to send to clients) because we extended it by 
adding a new column (mandatory column). I would say people should not 
upgrade using the same config files from bnetd to PvPGN (which also means 
would be nice if bnetd would have config files in /etc/bnetd directory and 
pvpgn in /etc/pvpgn directory). However for someone having already 
configured bnetd it should be very easy to configure PvPGN (changes are 
small as I said).

Changes in config files from one version to another dont happen very 
often, usually they happen because of bad design decision. We have an 
UPDATE file which describes every config file change that happened between 
any 2 consecutive releases, also other changes (like data files if 
necesary). Now that PvPGN will be into Debian I would have to talk about 
this with the other devs too, probalby we will try to offer automatic 
backwards compatibility (as we did until now anyways).

bnetd only supported one type of "storage", that is human readable ASCII 
account files. PvPGN extends this by adding clean internal APIs and 
abstracts the storage ideea and now we support: plain files, cdb files (by 
incorporating the tinycdb project), sql (which has its own mini API for 
sql backends and curently has a mysql and pgsql implementation). More 
details about storage can be found in docs/README.storage.

I think that it should be possible to use bnetd user files with no 
problems with PvPGN's plain files storage type (however, because some new 
account attributes were added in PvPGN, some of them mandatory, it is 
needed that one updates at least the config files and especially the 
default account attribute files from PvPGN).

Of cours like any other operation on data, there should be a backup first. 
Then if a user trying to upgrade from bnetd to PvPGN using the same 
account files gets into trouble he can contact us at anytime and we will 
help (first finding out why doesnt work then make a solution).

Besides bnetd daemon (the main server daemon, we kept the same name in 
PvPGN too), there are 2 other deamons which have their own config files 
and data files, used for Diablo2 setups: d2cs and d2dbs. Each having its 
own main configuration files, d2cs.conf, d2dbs.conf. The files from 
bnetd's d2cs, d2dbs should be directly usable under pvpgn's d2cs, d2dbs 
with the remark that pvpgn has some new options in them and the default 
values might not be what users want.

The data files for d2cs/d2dbs are first the binary ladder files (which are 
not compatible between bnetd and pvpgn but that should be no problem 
because they can be deleted safely and d2dbs will populate them 
incrementally after each player plays), and the character data files. This 
files depend on the clients version because d2cs/d2dbs never try to parse 
them, change them, they just get this data from client sent packets and 
store it on the server to reply with them later when the client asks for 
them. Beeing as such we (the server guys) cannot offer backwords 
compatiblity, they depend on clients version and not server one.

In conclusion:
1. to upgrade from bnetd to PvPGN I would sugest to use clean config 
files, and the user data can be used directly (with proper backup heh)
2. to upgrade from PvPGN to PvPGN I would sugest to look into UPDATE file 
and act acordingly

> Also, I'm curious as to the level of support you are looking to
> providing for SQL-database storage setups.

As explained earlier, we now support SQL for user files and clan storing 
(the storage layer takes care of that). We have in plan for the future 
PvPGN releases to extend the storage API so it can be used by d2cs/d2dbs 
too for storing ladder, Diablo2 character data.

- -- 
Mihai RUSU                                    Email: dizzy@roedu.net
GPG : http://dizzy.roedu.net/dizzy-gpg.txt    WWW: http://dizzy.roedu.net
                       "Linux is obsolete" -- AST
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Message #70 received at 224163-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Robert Millan <rmh@debian.org>
To: 224163-close@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Bug#224163: fixed in pvpgn 1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:51:37 -0500
Source: pvpgn
Source-Version: 1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
pvpgn, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

pvpgn_1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1.diff.gz
  to pool/main/p/pvpgn/pvpgn_1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1.diff.gz
pvpgn_1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1.dsc
  to pool/main/p/pvpgn/pvpgn_1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1.dsc
pvpgn_1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1_i386.deb
  to pool/main/p/pvpgn/pvpgn_1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1_i386.deb
pvpgn_1.5.99+1.6.0pre3.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/p/pvpgn/pvpgn_1.5.99+1.6.0pre3.orig.tar.gz



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 224163@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Robert Millan <rmh@debian.org> (supplier of updated pvpgn package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:06:22 +0100
Source: pvpgn
Binary: pvpgn
Architecture: source i386
Version: 1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Robert Millan <rmh@debian.org>
Changed-By: Robert Millan <rmh@debian.org>
Description: 
 pvpgn      - Gaming server that emulates Battle.net(R)
Closes: 224163
Changes: 
 pvpgn (1.5.99+1.6.0pre3-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Initial Release. (Closes: #224163)
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