Debian Bug report logs - #201411
ITA: rocks-n-diamonds -- Boulderdash-like game

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Cc: Charles Briscoe-Smith <cpbs@debian.org>

Subject: O: rocks-n-diamonds -- Boulderdash-like game

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:14:28 +0200

Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

The current maintainer of rocks-n-diamonds, Charles Briscoe-Smith <cpbs@debian.org>,
has orphaned this package.  If you want to be the new maintainer, please
take it -- see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/index.html#howto-o for
detailed instructions how to adopt a package properly.

Some information about this package:

Package: rocks-n-diamonds
Binary: rocks-n-diamonds
Version: 2.0.0-0.2
Priority: optional
Section: games
Maintainer: Charles Briscoe-Smith <cpbs@debian.org>
Build-Depends: debhelper, xlibs-dev, libsdl1.2-dev (>= 1.2.2-3.1), libsdl-image1.2-dev (>= 1.2.0-1.1), libsdl-mixer1.2-dev (>= 1.2.0-1.1)
Architecture: any
Standards-Version: 3.5.2
Format: 1.0
Directory: pool/main/r/rocks-n-diamonds
Files: 4acebc695163bef106044e5b034f34cf 753 rocks-n-diamonds_2.0.0-0.2.dsc
 58e70641241e5b036ea052b7bcba384f 2476309 rocks-n-diamonds_2.0.0.orig.tar.gz
 953b07af683f285b2731ccc7af2f1ff0 4263 rocks-n-diamonds_2.0.0-0.2.diff.gz

Package: rocks-n-diamonds
Priority: optional
Section: games
Installed-Size: 8112
Maintainer: Charles Briscoe-Smith <cpbs@debian.org>
Architecture: i386
Version: 2.0.0-0.2
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-2), libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libsdl-mixer1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libsdl1.2debian, xlibs (>> 4.1.0)
Filename: pool/main/r/rocks-n-diamonds/rocks-n-diamonds_2.0.0-0.2_i386.deb
Size: 2265064
MD5sum: 91eea40eb3e60f720555dfb813a0f8a8
Description: Boulderdash-like game
 This game should be instantly familiar to those who have tried "Boulderdash"
 on the C-64, or "Emerald Mine" on the Amiga.
 .
 For the rest of you, it is a game in which you basically collect emeralds,
 stay away from monsters and try to avoid being squished by rocks. This
 version includes sound and supports joysticks, but your keyboard can also
 be used.
 .
 It is even possible to design your own levels with the built-in editor,
 and to record your game, replay it, and save it!

-- 
Martin Michlmayr
tbm@cyrius.com

Message #10 received at 201411@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: John Lightsey <john@nixnuts.net>

To: 201411@bugs.debian.org

Cc: control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: ITA: rocks-n-diamonds -- Boulderdash-like game

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:42:22 -0500

retitle 201411 ITA: rocks-n-diamonds -- Boulderdash-like game
thanks

I'd like to take over the Rocks-N-Diamonds package.  I'll see what I can do 
about packaging the current upstream version (2.1.1) then locate a sponsor.

John Lightsey

http://www.nixnuts.net/debian-bugs.html

Message #17 received at 201411@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: John Lightsey <john@nixnuts.net>

To: 201411@bugs.debian.org

Cc: control@bugs.debian.org

Subject: O: rocks-n-diamonds -- Boulderdash-like game

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:38:21 -0500

retitle 201411 O: rocks-n-diamonds -- Boulderdash-like game
thanks

I've been unable to correct the problems mentioned in bug #210233.  Much of 
the user contributed graphics for Rocks-n-Diamonds seems to be based 
on/copied from the tilesets made with unlicensed commercial graphics.  I 
can't honestly claim that I can seperate the good tiles from the bad.  All 
the other unlicensed content (sound effects, level data, and music) is easy 
to identify.

If someone else wants to adopt this package, I'd be happy to give them a list 
of files that definitely need to be removed from the upstream version.  All 
the other graphics files involve judgement calls that I'm not willing or able 
to make.


John Lightsey
http://www.nixnuts.net/debian-bugs.html

Message #28 received at 201411@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Raphael Goulais <raphael@nicedays.net>

To: Nathanael Nerode <neroden@twcny.rr.com>

Cc: debian-release@lists.debian.org, 201411@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Proposed packages to remove from testing

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:18:54 +0100

Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> rocks-n-diamonds: Copyright problems for quite a while. (#210233).  Make sure
> this doesn't get into a release!  It's orphaned, and when/if the new
> maintainer (or QA) uploads a clean version, it can go back in.
> 
> (Incidentally, its (ex-)maintainer Charles Briscoe-Smith is utterly MIA
> and should probably be locked out of all Debian machines for now, until
> he reappears.  I wish there was a good way to see the list of all Debian
> Developers who have been marked MIA and locked out already....)

I sent a mail to the last DD who made the ITA, asking if he was still
willing to make the package. Still no response for now. I'll take over
the package or make an NMU, or help him in the packaging.

I sent a mail to the upstream author of the game. He gave me more
informations on the copyright problems. The proposed solution is to make
a debian specific release, with all copyrighted materials removed.

Raphael

Message #33 received at 201411@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>

To: Raphael Goulais <raphael@nicedays.net>

Cc: Nathanael Nerode <neroden@twcny.rr.com>, 201411@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Proposed packages to remove from testing

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:40:44 +0000

* Raphael Goulais <raphael@nicedays.net> [2003-12-17 12:18]:
> I sent a mail to the upstream author of the game. He gave me more
> informations on the copyright problems. The proposed solution is to make
> a debian specific release, with all copyrighted materials removed.

So what's the status of this?  According to #210233, the new upstream
version 3.0.3 doesn't have any copyright problems anymore.
-- 
Martin Michlmayr
tbm@cyrius.com

Message #38 received at 201411@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Raphael Goulais <raphael@nicedays.net>

To: Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>

Cc: Nathanael Nerode <neroden@twcny.rr.com>, 201411@bugs.debian.org, John Lightsey <john@nixnuts.net>, Ingo Saitz <Ingo.Saitz@stud.uni-hannover.de>

Subject: Re: Proposed packages to remove from testing

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:52:43 +0100

Le mer 28/01/2004 à 00:40, Martin Michlmayr a écrit :
> So what's the status of this?  According to #210233, the new upstream
> version 3.0.3 doesn't have any copyright problems anymore.

That's not true. I'll paste here some informations gathered upstream and
with mails with Ingo Saitz. These mails were sent a month ago, december
17 and december 21. Upstream proposed the release of a special debian
version of the game, with no more copyrighted problems, but he has no
time for this for the moment. And I don't really trust his way of
telling if things are free or not. I put Ingo and John on the CC: list
for that matter.

Hope this will help you :)

>From Holger Schemel (Upstream):
> Yes; in my opinion, there is not really a problem with the graphics,
> although they are based on some (probably copyrighted) original graphics,
> because the modifications (due to transforming from 16x16 to 32x32 pixels)
> are substantial enough to treat them as own new graphics.

Here you can see the problem with the graphics. He considers them not an
issue, since he modified their size (and their color depth, if I remember
another mail I can't find now).

>From Holger Schemel (Upstream):
> A different thing are sounds and music; some sound samples are taken
> merely unmodified from original games like "Emerald Mine", where the
> copyright status is at least unclear (the company "Kingsoft", which has
> released the original game, seems to have completely vanished, with no
> known successor holding the old copyrights of that game). Most of the
> music loops are also simply ripped from certain copyrighted music from
> well-known artists like "Alan Parsons Project" or "Tangerine Dream";
> the legal status depends on local copyrights, where a few-seconds sample
> may be treated as a "citation" and may therefore be allowed.

Here are the non-free sounds :) The mail below was sent to me by Ingo Saitz,
who wanted to take over the package (one of the three):

-----Forwarded Message----- 
> From: Ingo Saitz <Ingo.Saitz@stud.uni-hannover.de>
> To: Raphael Goulais <raphael@nicedays.net>
> Subject: Re: Rocks-n-diamond debian package
> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:08:18 +0100
> 
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 02:05:38PM +0100, Raphael Goulais wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I made an ITA on rocks-n-diamond before I realized you made one. Do you
> > still intent to package rocks-n-diamonds?
> 
> Yes, I still do. But I didn't look closely into the copyright
> problems yet. And I probably won't start working this year. So if
> you want to do this now you can take it.
> 
> I have a mail from John Lightsey <john@nixnuts.net> about the copyright
> issues in wich he says:
> 
> > Upstream didn't resolve the issues.  He was very forthcoming about the extent
> > of the issues.
> > 
> > When I contacted the upstream author I asked what sort of agreement he had to
> > distribute the wav loops in Rocks-N-Diamonds.  If you go to the info screen
> > it gives you the title for each loop, and a bit of googling reveals these are
> > taken from mainstream commercial music.
> > 
> > The upstream author responded saying that he had never asked for permission
> > to use the loops and no one had ever complained.  He also indicated that
> > other content was taken directly from commercial sources without any
> > permission.
> > 
> > All of the level files from Boulderdash, Sokoban, etc were taken from the
> > commercial games and the file format was changed.
> > 
> > All of the standard tiles were taken from commercial games.  The colors have
> > been changed, but the graphics are direct copies that have been edited.
> > 
> > All of the sounds are taken from the commercial games.  They have been
> > resampled, but they are copies.
> > 
> > The wav loops are used without permission, and the licensing on the mod music
> > is uncertain.  The upstream author seems to think that a mod whose author is
> > unknown and which has no license is freely usable.  For example, try to track
> > down the status of mod.chiptune..  Who wrote it?  What are the terms of use?
> > The best information I can find is that no one has stepped forward to demand
> > that people stop using it.  That's not really a valid license for use.
> > 
> > Many other people have contributed levels and graphics for Rocks-N-Diamonds.
> > If you go to the artsoft page he has links to these other folks.  Originally
> > I hoped to delete all the questionable content and replace it with the
> > sounds, graphics, and levels these other people have created.  After looking
> > carefully though, I really wonder whether any of these tile sets can be used
> > as is.
> > 
> > Anyway, the list of files that I feel 100% confident need to be deleted
> > include:
> > 
> > levels/Boulderdash
> > levels/Classic_Games
> > Sounds/snd_classic
> > all the wav loops in music/mus_classic
> > these images from graphics/gfx_classic
> >   RocksDC.pcx
> >   RocksDoor.pcx
> >   RocksElements.pcx
> >   RocksFontBig.pcx
> >   RocksFontEM.pcx
> >   RocksFontMedium.pcx
> >   RocksFontSmall.pcx
> >   RocksHeroes.pcx
> >   RocksMore.pcx
> >   RocksSP.pcx
> > 
> > Everything else, you'd have to ask the upstream author.  The graphics in
> > particular made me give up on this package.  If you start looking into the
> > addon level sets done by other authors, there is quite a bit of copying from
> > the original rocks-n-diamonds tiles.  I didn't feel confident I could remove
> > all questionable content, and I'm really reluctant to rubber-stamp something
> > I'm uncertain about.
> 
>     Ingo

Message #43 received at 201411-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Andreas Barth <aba@not.so.argh.org>

To: 210233-done@bugs.debian.org, 106508-done@bugs.debian.org, 106521-done@bugs.debian.org, 140299-done@bugs.debian.org, 223290-done@bugs.debian.org, 65564-done@bugs.debian.org, 103687-done@bugs.debian.org, 116502-done@bugs.debian.org, 91038-done@bugs.debian.org, 91642-done@bugs.debian.org, 51293-done@bugs.debian.org, 64120-done@bugs.debian.org, 81563-done@bugs.debian.org, 201411-done@bugs.debian.org

Subject: rocks-n-diamonds is removed

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:37:37 +0100

Hi,

rocks-n-diamonds has been removed from debian, as it is legal more or
less impossible to distribute it. For more info, please see bug
#201411. So, I'm closing all bug reports.


Cheers,
Andi
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