Debian Bug report logs - #191870
O: arpd -- User-space ARP daemon

Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Elie Rosenblum <fnord@cosanostra.net>

Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:48:02 UTC

Severity: normal

Done: Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>

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From: Elie Rosenblum <fnord@cosanostra.net>
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: O: arpd
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:47:42 -0400
Package: wnpp
Severity: normal

I don't think arpd is useful anymore and I'm not sure it even works
with modern kernels. If someone wants to maintain this, please feel
free but I will no longer do so.

If nobody picks it up in 6 months I will request that it be removed
from the archive.

There is no longer any upstream as far as I know (at least for 
several years).

There is only one outstanding bug that should be easy to fix if you
actually care about this package.

-- 
Elie Rosenblum                 That is not dead which can eternal lie,
http://www.cosanostra.net   And with strange aeons even death may die.
Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer             - _The Necronomicon_



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From: Drew Scott Daniels <umdanie8@cc.UManitoba.CA>
To: 191870@bugs.debian.org, <fnord@cosanostra.net>
Cc: dana.lacoste@peregrine.com, <venom@sns.it>, <layes@loran.com>, <linux-net@vger.rutgers.edu>, <debian-devel@lists.debian.org>
Subject: arpd's usefulness
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:43:41 -0500 (CDT)
I'm cc'ing people who may be able to better inform Debian as to the
upstream status of arpd.

Currently there is no one volunteering to keep aprd up to date on Debian,
and it has been suggested that perhaps arpd should be removed from Debian
(notes at: http://bugs.debian.org/191870 and perhaps some discussion can
be read at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200305
).

But what about network segments that contain more than 256 machines?
http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0201.2/0511.html suggests
that as of at least linux kernel 2.4.17 or 2.5.1,
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh3 can be used to change the arp
table. The same message says arpd still reduces broadcasting on LAN.

Older kernels and unique situations (such as wanting to define locally, arp
addresses) may still require arpd. I'm not sure how one could define
static arp addresses or how arpd could be used to define arp addresses.

Does the Linux kernel still recommend or at least suggest arpd? Will sarge
ship with any older linux kernels?
http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/ and
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/ seem to suggest versions of the
2.2.20 kernel will be shipped.

According to http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0201.2/1549.html
(Jan 22, 2002), there is a new arpd upstream maintainer (it doesn't look
like they made it into the official kernel though):
+P: Dana Lacoste
+M: dana.lacoste@peregrine.com
+W: http://home.loran.com/~dlacoste/
I currently can't access that site, although it does resolve.

http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/net/0101.0/0007.html says that arpd
1.0.3 and 1.0.4 are downloadable from http://expansa.sns.it/knetfilter
(allows arpd to compile with "glibc 2.1 2.2 and with kernels 2.2 and
2.4"). I don't see them there anymore, but maybe they can be requested.

     Drew Daniels




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From: venom@sns.it
To: Drew Scott Daniels <umdanie8@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Cc: 191870@bugs.debian.org, fnord@cosanostra.net, dana.lacoste@peregrine.com, layes@loran.com, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: arpd's usefulness
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:03:17 +0200 (CEST)
The arpd I maintained (10.0.3 and 1.0.4, stioll maintaining them, but
you have to mail me if you want them, because there are very few people
using 2.2 kernels with arpd)
run fine with 2.2 kernels, then
the API changed, and after a while i saw a better arpd maintained my
iproute2 maintainer.

currently a version of arpd running with the new
interface of linux 2.4/2.5 is included in the iproute2 package,
in the misc utilities.
it requires the directory /var/lib/arpd to be present, and features a
little db. the arpd daemon runs also as a db interface with parameters
such as arpd -l (while the daemon is running).

since the interface has changed the new arpd is not enought to manage more
than 255 arps if you do not tune
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh3
but it helps a lot.

Well, I suppose this is all. ;)

bests

Luigi Genoni

On Tue, 6 May 2003, Drew Scott Daniels wrote:

> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:43:41 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Drew Scott Daniels <umdanie8@cc.UManitoba.CA>
> To: 191870@bugs.debian.org, fnord@cosanostra.net
> Cc: dana.lacoste@peregrine.com, venom@sns.it, layes@loran.com,
>      linux-net@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-devel@lists.debian.org
> Subject: arpd's usefulness
>
> I'm cc'ing people who may be able to better inform Debian as to the
> upstream status of arpd.
>
> Currently there is no one volunteering to keep aprd up to date on Debian,
> and it has been suggested that perhaps arpd should be removed from Debian
> (notes at: http://bugs.debian.org/191870 and perhaps some discussion can
> be read at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200305
> ).
>
> But what about network segments that contain more than 256 machines?
> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0201.2/0511.html suggests
> that as of at least linux kernel 2.4.17 or 2.5.1,
> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh3 can be used to change the arp
> table. The same message says arpd still reduces broadcasting on LAN.
>
> Older kernels and unique situations (such as wanting to define locally, arp
> addresses) may still require arpd. I'm not sure how one could define
> static arp addresses or how arpd could be used to define arp addresses.
>
> Does the Linux kernel still recommend or at least suggest arpd? Will sarge
> ship with any older linux kernels?
> http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/ and
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/ seem to suggest versions of the
> 2.2.20 kernel will be shipped.
>
> According to http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0201.2/1549.html
> (Jan 22, 2002), there is a new arpd upstream maintainer (it doesn't look
> like they made it into the official kernel though):
> +P: Dana Lacoste
> +M: dana.lacoste@peregrine.com
> +W: http://home.loran.com/~dlacoste/
> I currently can't access that site, although it does resolve.
>
> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/net/0101.0/0007.html says that arpd
> 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 are downloadable from http://expansa.sns.it/knetfilter
> (allows arpd to compile with "glibc 2.1 2.2 and with kernels 2.2 and
> 2.4"). I don't see them there anymore, but maybe they can be requested.
>
>      Drew Daniels
>



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From: Drew Scott Daniels <umdanie8@cc.UManitoba.CA>
To: 191870@bugs.debian.org
Subject: iproute2 is iproute?
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:25:22 -0500 (CDT)
The "ip neighbour" commands from the iproute2 package may provide some of
the functionality that arpd provided. I'm unsure if it does, and I don't
know if the iproute package provides this iproute2 functionality.

A quick look at iproute's source didn't reveal any arp named files, but
the "ip neighbour" command might be there. iproute2 seems to have
misc/arpd.c arpd.c, or doc/arpd.sgml.

     Drew Daniels




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Message #29 received at 191870@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Gaudenz Steinlin <gaudenz@debian.org>
To: 191870@bugs.debian.org
Subject: removal judgement for arpd
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:05:10 +0100
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Usage statistic:
popcon vote: 12 

NMUs:
3 NMUs + QA Upload, no Maintainer upload since 2001/08

Bugs:
Total: 0 Real[1]: 0

Upstream:
Unable to locate upstream homepage. The page mentioned in this bug
is no longer accessible.

Dependency:
no reverse dependencies

Time since O:
1 year, 8 months

Distributions:
stable (1.0.2-9), testing and unstable (1.0.2-10)

Usefullness:
Usefullness on modern kernels is unclear (see buglog). The iproute
upstream source also contains an arpd which should work with modern
kernels. This Daemon is not included in the Debian package (bug filed).

I installed the package on my system with kernel 2.6.9 and ARP seems to
work. But my machine is only connected to one other host...

Conclusion:
remove as soon as iproute includes arpd.


[1] Bugs filed by people actually careing about the package. No mass
bugs, ...

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From: Martin Michlmayr <tbm@cyrius.com>
To: 191870-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Removed from Debian - unmaintained
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:29:51 +0100
This package has now been removed from Debian because nobody was
interested in maintaining it; see
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00014.html
for more information.

-- 
Martin Michlmayr
http://www.cyrius.com/



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