Debian Bug report logs - #165385
lists.debian.org: Please make debian-chinese-{big5,gb} subscribers-only with moderators

Package: lists.debian.org; Maintainer for lists.debian.org is Debian Listmaster Team <listmaster@lists.debian.org>;

Reported by: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>

Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:48:04 UTC

Severity: grave

Done: Josip Rodin <joy@srce.hr>

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From: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: lists.debian.org: Please make debian-chinese-{big5,gb} subscribers-only with moderators
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:40:33 +0800
Package: lists.debian.org
Version: unavailable; reported 2002-10-19
Severity: normal

Dear Debian listmasters,

On behalf of the Debian Chinese Project, I would like to request that
debian-chinese-{big5,gb}@l.d.o be turned into subscribers-only mailing
lists, and where non-subscribers may be allowed to post after their
postings are verified by the list moderators.  (One-time confirmation
would be nice too.  :-)

This, of course, is to deal with the increasing spam on the lists. 
Our lists have been swarmed with spam messages for nearly two years
now.  Right now, the signal-to-noise ratio is around 1:1.  Not good, and
spamassassin isn't yet effective in filtering the Chinese/Korean
spam e-mail yet.  Quite a few active users/developers have already
unsubscribed or stayed away from these lists because of the spam.

As suggested by Debian Listmaster Jaakko Niemi, we asked our mailing
list participants on this issue, and over 95% of respondents agree that
we should make it subscribers-only to avoid the spam, saying "excellent
idea.  It should've be done long time ago. :)" The remaining 5% were
non-subscribers and were concerned that they could no longer
participate on the lists, but I'm sure we won't leave them out with our
moderators manually approving their postings. So, yes, we have a
consensus.  :-)

For starters, we'd like to have two moderators:

	Anthony Fok <foka at debian dot org>  (myself.  :-)
	Ben Luo <benluoxx at 21cn dot com>

If other Debian Chinese developers like Yu Guanghui <ygh@d.o> and
active users like hashao aren't too busy, we may ask them to help out
as moderators too.

Please let me know how this would be set up so we can get this going.
Many thanks!

Anthony Fok
Debian Chinese Project Developer


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From: Anthony Fok <anthony@thizlinux.com>
To: 165385@bugs.debian.org
Cc: debian-chinese-big5@lists.debian.org
Subject: Bug#165385: Please make debian-chinese-{big5,gb} subscribers-only with moderators
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 04:28:13 +0800
Dear Debian Listmasters,

Happy New Year!  :-)

Please be reminded of this bug report, and please deal with this issue
at your earliest convenience.  The spam problem on
debian-chinese-{big5,gb} is getting worse and worse day by day!  The
signal-to-spam ratio has dropped to less than 10%.  Fellow subscribers
have voiced their concerns and frustration over the non-improvement of
the spam problem.  Many potential contributors shy away from
subscribing in order to avoid spam. Even I, as a Debian Chinese
developer, is starting to loath reading debian-chinese-* lists.  It is
becoming more and more like picking out small pieces of food from a
large garbage pile of spam.

So, please do take the time to modify the mailing list server config
file(s) to make these lists subscribers-only while allowing Ben Luo and
myself to be the list moderators to allow non-spam non-subscriber
postings.  If there is any difficulty in implementing this change,
please drop us a short note to let us know.

Many thanks,

Anthony Fok
Chinese i18n/L10n developer, Debian Project

-- 
Anthony Fok Tung-Ling
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Debian Chinese Project <foka@debian.org>       http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/
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Message #15 received at 165385@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: listmaster@lists.debian.org
To: Anthony Fok <anthony@thizlinux.com>, 165385@bugs.debian.org
Cc: debian-chinese-big5@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#165385: Please make debian-chinese-{big5,gb} subscribers-only with moderators
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 07:56:38 +1100
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 04:28:13AM +0800, Anthony Fok wrote:
> Dear Debian Listmasters,
> 
> Happy New Year!  :-)

Likewise.

> 
> Please be reminded of this bug report, and please deal with this issue

Don't worry, we regularly review the lists.debian.org bugreports. You
haven't been forgotten.

> at your earliest convenience.  The spam problem on
> debian-chinese-{big5,gb} is getting worse and worse day by day!  

This is a problem which affects all lists.

> So, please do take the time to modify the mailing list server config
> file(s) to make these lists subscribers-only while allowing Ben Luo and
> myself to be the list moderators to allow non-spam non-subscriber
> postings.  

What we will likely do is modify it instead to send email which meet our
spam checking criteria onto you both for final approval. At least
moderators you'll still get the spam -- but that should reduce the noise
for other members.

> If there is any difficulty in implementing this change,
> please drop us a short note to let us know.

I'll drop you a note later in the week with progress.

Regards,
Anand

-- 
 `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think.
 When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never
 leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada



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Message #20 received at 165385@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Josip Rodin <joy@gkvk.hr>
To: 165385@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Anthony Fok <anthony@thizlinux.com>, debian-chinese-big5@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#165385: Please make debian-chinese-{big5,gb} subscribers-only with moderators
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:02:37 -0600
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 07:56:38AM +1100, listmaster@lists.debian.org wrote:
> > at your earliest convenience.  The spam problem on
> > debian-chinese-{big5,gb} is getting worse and worse day by day!  
> 
> This is a problem which affects all lists.

Actually, it should be worse for the Chinese lists, because AFAIK
SpamAssassin doesn't catch any Chinese spam phrases, and for obvious reasons
you can't just filter on charset.

-- 
Joy



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Message #25 received at 165385@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Yu Guanghui <ygh@dlut.edu.cn>
To: Josip Rodin <joy@gkvk.hr>
Cc: 165385@bugs.debian.org, Anthony Fok <anthony@thizlinux.com>, debian-chinese-big5@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#165385: Please make debian-chinese-{big5,gb} subscribers-only with moderators
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 11:58:45 +0800
Josip Rodin wrote:

>On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 07:56:38AM +1100, listmaster@lists.debian.org wrote:
>  
>
>>>at your earliest convenience.  The spam problem on
>>>debian-chinese-{big5,gb} is getting worse and worse day by day!  
>>>      
>>>
>>This is a problem which affects all lists.
>>    
>>
>
>Actually, it should be worse for the Chinese lists, because AFAIK
>SpamAssassin doesn't catch any Chinese spam phrases, and for obvious reasons
>you can't just filter on charset.
>
>  
>
Hi
  I think Japanese and Korean list should have the same problem. 
SpamAssassin didn't support east asia languages. :( As I known, there 
isn't any spam filter that can filter CJK charsets.
                       Yu Guanghui





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From: Anand Kumria <wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au>
To: 165385-submitter@bugs.debian.org
Subject: current status
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:28:39 +1100
Hi there guys,

Just thought I'd fill you in on the status of your request. As may have
noticed we've put in a new moderation mechanism. We've been sorting
through the problems that that caused.

The idea is to, sometime this week, cause messages with a spamassassin
score of 4 (or higher) to be sent to the moderation mechanism. That'll
mean more spam email for the moderators but should reduce the problem on
the list.

My apologies that I haven't been able to keep you up to date with
progress on this issues.

Thanks,
Anand

-- 
 `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think.
 When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never
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From: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>
To: 165385@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Fwd: excessive spam on a mailing list
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:31:19 +0800
----- Forwarded message from Vera Chow -----

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:05:44 +0800
From: Vera Chow
Subject: excessive spam on a mailing list
To: leader@debian.org, debian-ctte@lists.debian.org, secretary@debian.org,
   debian-qa@lists.debian.org, press@debian.org, listmaster@lists.debian.org,
   listarchives@debian.org, debian-policy@lists.debian.org
Cc: foka@debian.org

To whom it may concern,

I am writing to bring your attention to the overwhelming spam problem in the 
mailing list of <debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org>.  

Out of 114 messages since late Jan this year, less than 15 of those 114 
messages are related to debian.  All the other emails are corporate spam 
written in Chinese (both in big5 and gb).

I would like to stress that when I subscribed this list at 
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe and clicked the box for 
"debian-chinese-big5", I read "Debian Chinese Project: Chinese localization 
(l10n), documentation and web site translation, user support etc." 

There was no warning or mention of the extensive amount of corporate 
advertisements that are on the mailing list.

I am curious about:
(1) how many subscribers are on the list;
(2) how many of those subscribers are spammers;
(3) are all these spams actually being put into the mailing list achives?
(4) is there any policy on mailing lists where the vast majority of emails are 
off-topic and are also spam?
(5) do other non-English mailing lists also receive such large amounts of 
spam(such as the debian-chinese-gb mailing list)? what course of action is 
taken on these lists and who is responsible for handling such situations.

It appears that foka@debian.org is the maintainer of the mailing list, though 
I suspect whoever this person is, they probably don't read the mailing list 
any more.

I'd appreciate this issue be followed up promptly, or at the very least the 
debian mailing list webpage is updated to warn people of the overwhelming 
spam.

-- 
Sincerely,

Mrs. Vera Chow   MA
+ (852) 90484211

GlamorText.com
- Specialists in Chinese and English Translation, Copy-Writing and Internet 
Development


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From: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>
To: Vera Chow <vera@glamortext.com>
Cc: listmaster@lists.debian.org, 165385@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: excessive spam on a mailing list
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:52:17 +0800
Hello Vera,

On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 11:05:44PM +0800, Vera Chow wrote:
> To whom it may concern,
>
> I am writing to bring your attention to the overwhelming spam problem in the 
> mailing list of <debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org>.  
>
> Out of 114 messages since late Jan this year, less than 15 of those 114 
> messages are related to debian.  All the other emails are corporate spam 
> written in Chinese (both in big5 and gb).

Sending this message to this many people:

    leader@debian.org, debian-ctte@lists.debian.org, secretary@debian.org,
    debian-qa@lists.debian.org, press@debian.org,
    listmaster@lists.debian.org, listarchives@debian.org,
    debian-policy@lists.debian.org

may not be the best thing to do in terms of etiquette.  However, I do agree
with you that the spam problem has dragged on for too long, it is surely one
way to get attention.  ;-)

We (Debian Chinese developers) have been in contact with the
Debian Listmasters, and we made a formal request in Oct 2002:

    Bug#165385    http://bugs.debian.org/165385

so that some trusted developers/users and I could moderate the list.
The listmasters (especially Anand Kumria) has been working hard lately
to reduce spams on all mailing lists, e.g. by the use of crossassassin:

    http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200302/msg00014.html

> I am curious about:
> (1) how many subscribers are on the list;

I don't have the answer, and I was wondering about the same question too.
Anand?  :-)

> (2) how many of those subscribers are spammers;

Probably none.  The list is currently wide-open for anyone (including
non-subscribers) to post, so the spammers don't need to subscribe at all. 
This is going to change, as discussed in Bug#165385.  BTW, Anand, do
you have some pointers on how the moderation mechanism is going to
work?  :-)

> (3) are all these spams actually being put into the mailing list achives?

Yes, currently they are.

> (4) is there any policy on mailing lists where the vast majority of emails are 
> off-topic and are also spam?

That will be if it is entirely off-topic.  However, related topics like
generic Chinese i18n/L10n issues, occasional ask-for-helps from newbies are
okay, and off-topic discussions were never really a problem.

> (5) do other non-English mailing lists also receive such large amounts of 
> spam(such as the debian-chinese-gb mailing list)? what course of action is 
> taken on these lists and who is responsible for handling such situations.

All Debian mailing lists suffer from spam problem, mostly from spam messages
that are cross-posted to many Debian mailing lists at the same time.  I
don't know how some spammers got hold of the
debian-chinese-*@lists.debian.org because I think the spam situation is the
most severe on these Chinese lists.

> It appears that foka@debian.org is the maintainer of the mailing list, though 
> I suspect whoever this person is, they probably don't read the mailing list 
> any more.

I am one of the Debian Chinese developers.  However, I am not a listmaster,
nor a Debian system admin, and thus have no direct control of things, i.e. I
can't personally set up any spam filters or do moderation for the
entire list.

I'm still on the list.  I am the same person as anthony@thizlinux.com
who posted the job recruitment e-mail.  ;-)  I still read the list every
now and then, although I haven't spoken much at all lately.  I know, I
am personally turned off the by the spam too, and instead chose to
focus on work (at ThizLinux), on Debian package maintenance (iterm,
freetype, mozilla-locale-zh-*, fonttools, autotrace, xcin, etc.) and
other technical Chinese i18n/L10n work.

> I'd appreciate this issue be followed up promptly, or at the very least the 
> debian mailing list webpage is updated to warn people of the overwhelming 
> spam.

Now that the listmaster team has finished implementing crossassassin, I
trust that they will soon have the spamassassin + human moderators
mechanism so that we soon-to-be moderators can start working.  :-)

For now, I appreciate your patience, Vera, and I share your concern, as
we have lost quite a few helpful users and developers due to the 2-year
long spam fiasco.  Nevertheless, rest assure that Anand and the rest of
the Listmaster Team are hard at work, and I trust that our spam problem
on the Debian Chinese mailing lists will be bygones soon.

Cheers,

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Fok Tung-Ling  霍東靈
ThizLinux Laboratory   <anthony@thizlinux.com> http://www.thizlinux.com/
Debian Chinese Project <foka@debian.org>       http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/
Come visit Our Lady of Victory Camp!           http://www.olvc.ab.ca/



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From: Vera Chow <vera@glamortext.com>
To: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>
Cc: listmaster@lists.debian.org, 165385@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: excessive spam on a mailing list
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:23:00 +0800
Thanks Anthony for your reply, just wonder why every spam email has 
"Old-Return-Path: <foka@master.debian.org>" although the sender varies.

I am also a subscriber of other debian mailing lists but they always stick to 
the topic of "debian".  I've seen no spam in any other mailing lists I 
subscribed.

Thanks for your follow up Anthony.

-- 
Sincerely,

Mrs. Vera Chow   MA
vera@glamortext.com
+ (852) 90484211

GlamorText.com
- Specialists in Chinese and English Translation, Copy-Writing and Internet 
Development




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Message #48 received at 165385@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>
To: Vera Chow <vera@glamortext.com>
Cc: listmaster@lists.debian.org, 165385@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: excessive spam on a mailing list
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 10:21:50 +0800
Hello Vera,

On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 10:23:00AM +0800, Vera Chow wrote:
> Thanks Anthony for your reply, just wonder why every spam email has 
> "Old-Return-Path: <foka@master.debian.org>" although the sender varies.

Yes, that's because of the big5<->gb gateway (just a simple Perl script)
that I setup some years ago on master.debian.org.  It's probably not
_every_, but rather, about half, depending on whether the spam was
originally posted to the big5 list or to the gb list.

Plus the fact that many spammers send spams to both -big5 and -gb lists,
we'd often see the spam messages come in pairs, one posted directly to the
list, and one converted from the other list.

Unfortunately, it is beyond my skill (and time) to implement a spamfilter at
the big5<->gb gateway level.

> I am also a subscriber of other debian mailing lists but they always stick to 
> the topic of "debian".  I've seen no spam in any other mailing lists I 
> subscribed.

Yes, that's true indeed, and I'm glad that most other Debian mailing lists
remain high quality and relatively unaffected by spam.

> Thanks for your follow up Anthony.

You are welcome.  I apologize for the fact that I hadn't been able to curb
the spam problem for so long.

Best Regards,

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Fok Tung-Ling  霍東靈
ThizLinux Laboratory   <anthony@thizlinux.com> http://www.thizlinux.com/
Debian Chinese Project <foka@debian.org>       http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/
Come visit Our Lady of Victory Camp!           http://www.olvc.ab.ca/



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From: Anthony Fok <anthony@thizlinux.com>
To: 165385@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Please let us know of the progress of dealing with excessive spam
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 02:34:04 +0800
Dear Listmasters,

Could you please deal with the spam problem on debian-chinese-{big5,gb}
_soon_, or at least give us an update on the progress?  The spam is
getting really really bad, and most of the subscribers, myself
included, are really fed up with it almost to the point of saying
"Heck, let's just abandon the lists!"

I personally dislike bug submitters artificially inflating the bug
severity, but for the sake of the Debian Chinese community, I feel
obliged to increase the severity to "grave", as the spam has nearly
drowned out all usefulness that was debian-chinese-{big5,gb}.

Please, both Ben Luo and I have volunteered to be moderators.  Please
take some time to modify the config files, turn it into a close list,
and let us moderate the list so the subscribers don't have to suffer
all the spam!

Thanks for your help!

Anthony

-- 
Anthony Fok Tung-Ling
ThizLinux Laboratory   <anthony@thizlinux.com> http://www.thizlinux.com/
Debian Chinese Project <foka@debian.org>       http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/
Come visit Our Lady of Victory Camp!           http://www.olvc.ab.ca/



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From: Jaakko Niemi <listmaster@debian.org>
To: Anthony Fok <anthony@thizlinux.com>, 165385@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#165385: Please let us know of the progress of dealing with excessive spam
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:20:46 -0600
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Anthony Fok wrote:
> Dear Listmasters,
> 
> Could you please deal with the spam problem on debian-chinese-{big5,gb}
> _soon_, or at least give us an update on the progress?

 I'm trying to get this done during this week.

-- 

"And if the messenger would shoot first?"



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Message #65 received at 165385@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>
To: Jaakko Niemi <listmaster@debian.org>
Cc: 165385@bugs.debian.org, debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#165385: Please let us know of the progress of dealing with excessive spam
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:12:00 +0800
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 01:20:46PM -0600, Jaakko Niemi wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Anthony Fok wrote:
> > Dear Listmasters,
> > 
> > Could you please deal with the spam problem on debian-chinese-{big5,gb}
> > _soon_, or at least give us an update on the progress?
> 
>  I'm trying to get this done during this week.

Hello Jaakko Niemi,

It has been three weeks now.  Has any of the listmasters found time to
deal with this problem, or at least give a status/progress report?  The
spam problem is as bad as ever on debian-chinese-{gb,big5}.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Anthony

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Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Martin Schulze and others <listmaster@lists.debian.org>, lists.debian.org@packages.qa.debian.org:
Bug#165385; Package lists.debian.org. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Josip Rodin <joy@srce.hr>:
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Message #70 received at 165385@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Josip Rodin <joy@srce.hr>
To: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>
Cc: 165385@bugs.debian.org, debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#165385: Please let us know of the progress of dealing with excessive spam
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:46:42 +0200
On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 10:12:00PM +0800, Anthony Fok wrote:
> > > Could you please deal with the spam problem on debian-chinese-{big5,gb}
> > > _soon_, or at least give us an update on the progress?
> > 
> >  I'm trying to get this done during this week.
> 
> It has been three weeks now.  Has any of the listmasters found time to
> deal with this problem, or at least give a status/progress report?  The
> spam problem is as bad as ever on debian-chinese-{gb,big5}.

Personally I'd fix it but I don't know how, I'm a lowly junior listmaster
who hasn't read all the documentation. If you can find someone to handhold
me with the Smartlist settings, I can look at it.

(Yes, I realize that something like this is unfair and wrong and there are
probably much better ways to describe it, but when life gives you lemons...)

-- 
     2. That which causes joy or happiness.



Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Martin Schulze and others <listmaster@lists.debian.org>, lists.debian.org@packages.qa.debian.org:
Bug#165385; Package lists.debian.org. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Acknowledgement sent to Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>:
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Message #75 received at 165385@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
To: Josip Rodin <joy@srce.hr>, 165385@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>, Martin Schulze and others <listmaster@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#165385: Please let us know of the progress of dealing with excessive spam
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 00:43:22 +0200 (CEST)
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 10:12:00PM +0800, Anthony Fok wrote:
> > > > Could you please deal with the spam problem on debian-chinese-{big5,gb}
> > > > _soon_, or at least give us an update on the progress?
> > >
> > >  I'm trying to get this done during this week.
> >
> > It has been three weeks now.  Has any of the listmasters found time to
> > deal with this problem, or at least give a status/progress report?  The
> > spam problem is as bad as ever on debian-chinese-{gb,big5}.
>
> Personally I'd fix it but I don't know how, I'm a lowly junior listmaster
> who hasn't read all the documentation. If you can find someone to handhold
> me with the Smartlist settings, I can look at it.

There is not a smartlist setting to moderate posts from non-subscribers,
but there is a foreign_submit variable in rc.custom that you should
probably unset.

Combined with the white list idea described in Bug #175477, this should
allow everybody to post from any valid address even if they are not
subscribed with such address.



Reply sent to Josip Rodin <joy@srce.hr>:
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Notification sent to Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>:
Bug acknowledged by developer. Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #80 received at 165385-done@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox):

From: Josip Rodin <joy@srce.hr>
To: Anthony Fok <foka@debian.org>, 165385-done@bugs.debian.org
Subject: debian-chinese lists now subscribers-only with moderators
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:03:24 +0200
Hi,

Since nobody else did anything useful, I've now made the two debian-chinese
lists subscribers-posts-only.

I've added your and Ben's address to the moderators.

We can also make it so that people get their mails bounced with a message
"please subscribe" -- in Chinese, too.

Let us know how it works out over the next period -- file a new bug if
necessary, this one's been open for far too long. :/

Thanks.
-- 
     2. That which causes joy or happiness.



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