Debian Bug report logs - #162763
RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon

Package: wnpp; Maintainer for wnpp is wnpp@debian.org;

Reported by: Lennart Poettering <mz@itaparica.org>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:48:04 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Done: Oliver Kurth <oku@masqmail.cx>

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From: Lennart Poettering <mz@itaparica.org>
To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:30:29 +0200
Package: wnpp
Version: N/A; reported 2002-09-29
Severity: wishlist

* Package name    : ifplugd
  Version         : 0.1
  Upstream Author : Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
* URL             : http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/lennart/projects/ifplugd/
* License         : GPL
  Description     : ethernet link beat detection daemon

This utility keeps the promise laptop-net's ifd made. It is a daemon which
configures your ethernet device only when a cable is attached. When the
cable is unplugged, the interface is automatically shut down. The daemon is
simple C, only 14k as binary and integrates well with debian's ifupdown. I
am using it quite happy since some time on my Woody box and I'd love to this
it in the official distribution.

Thanks, 
 Lennart

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From: Nicolas Boullis <nboullis@debian.org>
To: Lennart Poettering <mz@itaparica.org>, 162763@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Graeme Mathieson <mathie@wossname.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:07:47 +0200
On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 06:30:29PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Version: N/A; reported 2002-09-29
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> * Package name    : ifplugd
>   Version         : 0.1
>   Upstream Author : Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
> * URL             : http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/lennart/projects/ifplugd/
> * License         : GPL
>   Description     : ethernet link beat detection daemon
> 
> This utility keeps the promise laptop-net's ifd made. It is a daemon which
> configures your ethernet device only when a cable is attached. When the
> cable is unplugged, the interface is automatically shut down. The daemon is
> simple C, only 14k as binary and integrates well with debian's ifupdown. I
> am using it quite happy since some time on my Woody box and I'd love to this
> it in the official distribution.

Hi!

How would you compare this to miid
(http://www.wossname.org.uk/~mathie/software/#miid)?

miid was ITPed some time ago
(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no\&bug=146949) and
should be uploaded really soon.


Thanks in advance,

Nicolas Boullis



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From: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
To: Nicolas Boullis <nboullis@debian.org>
Cc: 162763@bugs.debian.org, Graeme Mathieson <mathie@wossname.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:57:42 +0200
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On Sun, 29.09.02 19:07, Nicolas Boullis (nboullis@debian.org) wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> How would you compare this to miid
> (http://www.wossname.org.uk/~mathie/software/#miid)?

Hmm, I must admit, there are not that much differences. If I had known
of that piece of software before I'd have improved it, and not written
my own. However, ifplugd has some advantages:

- It makes use of the more reliable (newer) ETHTOOL ioctl()s. miid's
  author reports some problems with Apple TiBooks. I'd guess they go
  away when using ifplugd. (ifplugd falls back to the old ioctl()s, when
  the ETHTOOL ioctl()s fail.)

- It may beep on successful (or failed) interface configuration or
  when the plug is pulled/connected

- Has a --ignore-fail mode which makes it compatible with PCMCIA
  network drivers, which are not loaded all the time

- The spawned subprogram's stdout/stderr is redirected to syslog

- And most important: it works. miid doesn't. At least on my
  machine. First miid did not want to startup because the interface
  wasn't up. This is somewhat a paradoxon, I think. After doing
  "ifconfig eth0 up" by hand miid simply locked up my machine. After
  rebooting I got miid working for 2 minutes, than my machine locked
  up again. this simply doesn't occur with ifplugd. The need of
  "ifconfig eth0 up" may be caused by some strangeness of the 8193too
  driver I am using. However, ifplugd works around this
  maybe-bug. miid is unusable on my machine, while ifplugd is.

- Different delays for setting an interface up and down. This is quite
  useful, since you mostly want to use networking immediately when you
  plug your cable in. Thus you set the up-delay to 0. However, you
  may want to unplug the cable for a short time without having the network shut
  down. Thus you set the down-delay to 10. (or something like this)
  miid doesn't distuinguish between these to times.

I cannot see any disadvantages of ifplugd over miid.

I vote for ifplugd!

Lennart

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From: Bas Zoetekouw <bas@debian.org>
To: Lennart Poettering <mz@itaparica.org>, 162763@bugs.debian.org
Cc: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:16:52 +0200
Hi Lennart!

You wrote:

>   Description     : ethernet link beat detection daemon
> 
> This utility keeps the promise laptop-net's ifd made. It is a daemon which
> configures your ethernet device only when a cable is attached. When the
> cable is unplugged, the interface is automatically shut down. The daemon is
> simple C, only 14k as binary and integrates well with debian's ifupdown. I
> am using it quite happy since some time on my Woody box and I'd love to this
> it in the official distribution.

We already have such a daemon in the laptop-net package.

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From: Nicolas Boullis <nboullis@debian.org>
To: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
Cc: 162763@bugs.debian.org, Graeme Mathieson <mathie@wossname.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:44:45 +0200
Hi!

On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 07:57:42PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:

> - It makes use of the more reliable (newer) ETHTOOL ioctl()s. miid's
>   author reports some problems with Apple TiBooks. I'd guess they go
>   away when using ifplugd. (ifplugd falls back to the old ioctl()s, when
>   the ETHTOOL ioctl()s fail.)

That sounds interesting.


> - It may beep on successful (or failed) interface configuration or
>   when the plug is pulled/connected

Ideally, I would like this to be an option.


> - Has a --ignore-fail mode which makes it compatible with PCMCIA
>   network drivers, which are not loaded all the time

I don't understand what this option does/how you use it.


> - And most important: it works. miid doesn't. At least on my
>   machine. First miid did not want to startup because the interface
>   wasn't up. This is somewhat a paradoxon, I think. After doing
>   "ifconfig eth0 up" by hand miid simply locked up my machine. After
>   rebooting I got miid working for 2 minutes, than my machine locked
>   up again. this simply doesn't occur with ifplugd. The need of
>   "ifconfig eth0 up" may be caused by some strangeness of the 8193too
>   driver I am using. However, ifplugd works around this
>   maybe-bug. miid is unusable on my machine, while ifplugd is.

This looks very interesting to me, since I have a laptop with a
RTL8139C-based builtin NIC, and miid does not work fine on this laptop.
However, I consider this as a bug in the kernel 8139too module, not a bug
in miid. But miid works on my other laptop.
I will probably give ifplugd a try soon...

> - Different delays for setting an interface up and down. This is quite
>   useful, since you mostly want to use networking immediately when you
>   plug your cable in. Thus you set the up-delay to 0. However, you
>   may want to unplug the cable for a short time without having the network shut
>   down. Thus you set the down-delay to 10. (or something like this)
>   miid doesn't distuinguish between these to times.

That looks like a good idea.


> I cannot see any disadvantages of ifplugd over miid.
> 
> I vote for ifplugd!

While this may be true with your hardware, are you sure ifplugd works
everywhere miid works?


I consider Debian does not need several miid/ifplugd-like packages. I
wish you wil try to work with Graeme and give Debian a single
perfectly-working miid/ifplugd/whateveritiscalled package.


Regards,

Nicolas



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From: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
To: Nicolas Boullis <nboullis@debian.org>
Cc: 162763@bugs.debian.org, Graeme Mathieson <mathie@wossname.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:13:45 +0200
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On Sun, 29.09.02 21:44, Nicolas Boullis (nboullis@debian.org) wrote:

> > - It may beep on successful (or failed) interface configuration or
> >   when the plug is pulled/connected
> 
> Ideally, I would like this to be an option.

In fact, it is an option. (-b)

> > - Has a --ignore-fail mode which makes it compatible with PCMCIA
> >   network drivers, which are not loaded all the time
> 
> I don't understand what this option does/how you use it.

pcmcia network drivers are only loaded when a card is inserted. when
it is removed, the driver is removed as well. An example:

you want that the network interface of your pcmcia network card (eth0)
is only configured when it is inserted and attached to network. When
you boot the machine without the PCMCIA card inserted, miid starts up,
fails to find eth0, and quits. However if ifplugd is run with the -f
switch it treats "could not open eth0" as "no cable attached". Thus
everything works fine. In the moment the card is inserted and eth0
exists it starts to query the link beat normally. 

Short: With -f supplied, ifplugd doesn't fail when it cannot open
eth0 but retries to open it constantly.

> > - And most important: it works. miid doesn't. At least on my
> >   machine. First miid did not want to startup because the interface
> >   wasn't up. This is somewhat a paradoxon, I think. After doing
> >   "ifconfig eth0 up" by hand miid simply locked up my machine. After
> >   rebooting I got miid working for 2 minutes, than my machine locked
> >   up again. this simply doesn't occur with ifplugd. The need of
> >   "ifconfig eth0 up" may be caused by some strangeness of the 8193too
> >   driver I am using. However, ifplugd works around this
> >   maybe-bug. miid is unusable on my machine, while ifplugd is.
> 
> This looks very interesting to me, since I have a laptop with a
> RTL8139C-based builtin NIC, and miid does not work fine on this laptop.
> However, I consider this as a bug in the kernel 8139too module, not a bug
> in miid. But miid works on my other laptop.
> I will probably give ifplugd a try soon...

My card is not a 8139C, it is an older version. The driver 8139too
driver is for 8139, 8139A and 8139B chips, not for 8139c!

> While this may be true with your hardware, are you sure ifplugd works
> everywhere miid works?

ifplugd should work everywhere where miid works, since it falls back
to the same ioctls when the never ETHTOOL ioctls don't work.

I don't see why ifplugd shouldn't work on all the hardware miid
does. In contrary, I believe it works on much broader quantity of
machines that miid does.

However, ifplugd is currently just version 0.1, so I cannot guarantee
for this.

> I consider Debian does not need several miid/ifplugd-like packages. I
> wish you wil try to work with Graeme and give Debian a single
> perfectly-working miid/ifplugd/whateveritiscalled package.

You may be right.

Graeme, please consider to package ifplugd instead of miid! I
currently see no advantage in packaging miid, if there is ifplugd
available. 

As I see you are both the upstream author of miid and the one who
intents to package miid. Strange situation for me to beg you for
replacing your own software with mine... ;-)

Please tell me what you think about improving ifplugd instead of miid!

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From: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
To: Bas Zoetekouw <bas@debian.org>
Cc: 162763@bugs.debian.org, Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:19:52 +0200
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On Sun, 29.09.02 21:16, Bas Zoetekouw (bas@debian.org) wrote:

> 
> Hi Lennart!
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >   Description     : ethernet link beat detection daemon
> > 
> > This utility keeps the promise laptop-net's ifd made. It is a daemon which
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  
> > configures your ethernet device only when a cable is attached. When the
> > cable is unplugged, the interface is automatically shut down. The daemon is
> > simple C, only 14k as binary and integrates well with debian's ifupdown. I
> > am using it quite happy since some time on my Woody box and I'd love to this
> > it in the official distribution.
> 
> We already have such a daemon in the laptop-net package.

You didn't read my description of ifplugd, did you? I refer to
laptop-net's ifd in it. 

However, I tried laptop-net, but it is far too intrusive for me, it
does too much things at the same time. ifplugd is a much more
simplistic approach.

For other reasons a seperate daemon like this useful, read the threads
in #146949 and #162763. Thanks!

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To: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
Cc: 162763@bugs.debian.org, Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:25:25 +0200
Hi Lennart!

You wrote:

> You didn't read my description of ifplugd, did you? I refer to
> laptop-net's ifd in it. 

Sorry, mussed have missed that part.

> However, I tried laptop-net, but it is far too intrusive for me, it
> does too much things at the same time. 

I agree with you on that. I actally use laptop-net's ifd qithout all the
other fuzz.

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From: Graeme Mathieson <mathie@wossname.org.uk>
To: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
Cc: Nicolas Boullis <nboullis@debian.org>, 162763@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:26:08 +0100
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On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 11:13:45PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> 
> Graeme, please consider to package ifplugd instead of miid! I
> currently see no advantage in packaging miid, if there is ifplugd
> available. 

I hate to say it, but you may be right. :-)  I'll have a look at
packaging ifplugd instead, probably not until the weekend though.

> As I see you are both the upstream author of miid and the one who
> intents to package miid. Strange situation for me to beg you for
> replacing your own software with mine... ;-)

I got miid to a 'works for me' stage then forgot about it because, well,
it worked for me.  It was only Nicolas prodding me recently that got me
back to packaging it properly...

With any luck, by next weekend, lintian/linda will no longer be in the
huff and debhelper will be substituting variables in correctly and I can
get it packaged (and update my other packages) without feeling like I'm
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From: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.de>
To: Graeme Mathieson <mathie@wossname.org.uk>
Cc: Nicolas Boullis <nboullis@debian.org>, 162763@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#162763: RFP: ifplugd -- ethernet link beat detection daemon
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:28:39 +0200
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On Mon, 30.09.02 07:26, Graeme Mathieson (mathie@wossname.org.uk) wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 11:13:45PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > 
> > Graeme, please consider to package ifplugd instead of miid! I
> > currently see no advantage in packaging miid, if there is ifplugd
> > available. 
> 
> I hate to say it, but you may be right. :-)  I'll have a look at
> packaging ifplugd instead, probably not until the weekend though.

Great! Thank you very much!

I just released ifplugd 0.2 with some minor fixes.

One last addendum to the last mail from me. Another advantage of
ifplugd over miid is that ifplugd writes a pid file to /var/run, and
may be killed sanely this way by an init script.

lp

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