Debian Bug report logs - #119531
tetex-base, new files: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def and /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>

To: submit@bugs.debian.org

Subject: tetex-base, new files: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def and /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def

Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:04:58 +0100

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Package: tetex-base
Version: 1.0.2+20000


Here are two files to be included in the tetex-base:

/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def


Ionel

P.S. By inserting this files you have to make tetex-base depend on
tetex-eurosym.
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Message #10 received at 119531-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Christoph Martin <christoph.martin@uni-mainz.de>

To: 119531-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#119531: fixed in tetex-base 1.0.2+20000804a-1

Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:49:42 -0500

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
tetex-base, which has been installed in the Debian FTP archive:

tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a-1.diff.gz
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a-1.diff.gz
tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a-1.dsc
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a-1.dsc
tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a-1_all.deb
tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a.orig.tar.gz
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a.orig.tar.gz
tetex-doc_1.0.2+20000804a-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-doc_1.0.2+20000804a-1_all.deb
tetex-extra_1.0.2+20000804a-1_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-extra_1.0.2+20000804a-1_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 119531@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Christoph Martin <christoph.martin@uni-mainz.de> (supplier of updated tetex-base package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)


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Format: 1.7
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:17:40 +0100
Source: tetex-base
Binary: tetex-base tetex-doc tetex-extra
Architecture: source all
Version: 1.0.2+20000804a-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: teTeX maintainers <debian-tetex-maint@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Christoph Martin <christoph.martin@uni-mainz.de>
Description: 
 tetex-base - basic teTeX library files
 tetex-doc  - teTeX documentation
 tetex-extra - extra teTeX library files
Closes: 111284 111289 119191 119531 120300
Changes: 
 tetex-base (1.0.2+20000804a-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * fix copyrights in gs fonts (closes: #111284, #111289)
   * remove predepends on essential package perl(5)-base (closes: #120300)
   * add latin9.def and latin10.def (closes: #119531)
   * added correct psnfss.html (closes: #119191)
Files: 
 02a5eca290e7a39708809f1b3534b696 1065 tex optional tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a-1.dsc
 b65c2508ccbbf3f99455941722370cad 35110813 tex optional tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a.orig.tar.gz
 cf218df13b170d037d5c5c776a1fc9d3 27963 tex optional tetex-base_1.0.2+20000804a-1.diff.gz
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Message #15 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de>

To: Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>

Cc: 119531@bugs.debian.org, <control@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Regarding latin9.def and latin10.def

Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:43:03 +0100 (CET)

reopen 119531
thanks

Hi Ionel,

in the last upload of the Debian teTeX packages that is now in unstable I
removed your latin9.def and latin10.def files from the package. The
reasons are:

1. I don't like our teTeX-packages to ship files that upstream doesn't
   ship. The right way to include files would be to forward them to
   upstream (ideally they should be on CTAN at that time) and to include
   them when upstream has included them.

2. There's a different latin9.def on CTAN at [1] and it's not a good idea
   to have two different files with the same name around (the other file
   comes from inputenc.dtx).

cu
Adrian

[1] ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/macros/latex/unpacked/latin9.def


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Message #22 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Atsuhito Kohda <kohda@pm.tokushima-u.ac.jp>

To: 119531@bugs.debian.org, 119531-submitter@bugs.debian.org

Subject: latin9.def is present now

Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:06:24 +0900 (JST)

Hi,

the latest tetex-base contains latin9.def as

civic:~$ dpkg -S latin9.def
latex2html: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/latex2html/latin9.def
tetex-base: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def

but not latin10.def

civic:~$ dpkg -S latin10.def
dpkg: *latin10.def* not found.

I don't know what are these files for but is this not 
enough yet?

Best regards,			2002.12.31(Tue)

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Message #30 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>

To: Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>, 119531@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Debian Control <control@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: tetex-base, new files: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def and /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def

Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:57:17 +0200

severity 119531 wishlist
thanks

On 14.11.01 Ionel Mugurel Ciobica (tgakic@chem.tue.nl) wrote:
> 
> Package: tetex-base
> Version: 1.0.2+20000
> 
Reminder: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=119531
> 
> Here are two files to be included in the tetex-base:
> 
> /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def
> /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def
> 
As you might have noticed, another latin9.def has been included into
teTeX from upstream. AFAICS it differs from your one. Before anybody
forwards your bug to upstream, could you please explain shortly the
purpose of latin10.def?

Thanks,
  Hilmar
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Message #37 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>

To: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>, 119531@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Debian Control <control@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Re: tetex-base, new files: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def and /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def

Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:36:43 +0200

On 24-06-2003, at 11h 57'17", Hilmar Preusse wrote to mugurel about "Re: tetex-base, new files: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def and /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def"
> severity 119531 wishlist
> thanks
> 
> As you might have noticed, another latin9.def has been included into
> teTeX from upstream. AFAICS it differs from your one. Before anybody
> forwards your bug to upstream, could you please explain shortly the
> purpose of latin10.def?
> 

Sorry for my late answer. I just come back from my holidays few days
ago...

Latin10 or ISO8859-16 is an 8-bit charset (the ONLY one) which supports
Romanian language [1].

There are two letters (s and t with comma below) which are not in the
LaTeX fonts, so those are "produced" in this latin10.def file. Of course
that could be placed as well in a commabelow.sty file as well, but
latin10.def is helpful for typing directly in Latin10 (and/or Latin2)
and the output will be with comma below instead of cedilla.

The s and t with comma below are also not supported by omega/lambda.
The "comma below" glyph is present, but the S, T, s and t with comma
below are absent. Using a regular comma (instead of the Unicode "comma
below") will not produce the perfect solution, but this is as good it
can get in this conditions.

A LaTeX input file using latin10.def must contain this:

\usepackage{relsize}
\usepackage{textcomp}
\usepackage{eurosym}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin10]{inputenc}


Considering the latin9.def file I propose, I see no differences (except
the ordering and the \mathonesuperior, \mathtwosuperior and
\maththreesuperior), maybe the \euro instead of \texteuro? A simply
\usepackage{eurosym}
would solve the problem for my latin9.def

You may replace \euro with \texteuro in the latin10.def as well.

If you need more explanations please do not hesitate to ask me.

Best regards,
        Ionel


[1] http://bucovina.chem.tue.nl/page.html

Message #42 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>

To: Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>, 119531@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#119531: tetex-base, new files: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def and /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def

Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:37:20 +0200

On 14.08.03 Ionel Mugurel Ciobica (tgakic@chem.tue.nl) wrote:
> On 24-06-2003, at 11h 57'17", Hilmar Preusse wrote to mugurel about "Re: tetex-base, new files: /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def and /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin10.def"

Hi,

> > As you might have noticed, another latin9.def has been included into
> > teTeX from upstream. AFAICS it differs from your one. Before anybody
> > forwards your bug to upstream, could you please explain shortly the
> > purpose of latin10.def?
> > 
> 
> Sorry for my late answer. I just come back from my holidays few days
> ago...
> 
Late response too. Anyway I'm happy that you respond: most of the
submitters of bugs of that age never respond.

> Latin10 or ISO8859-16 is an 8-bit charset (the ONLY one) which supports
> Romanian language [1].
> 
> There are two letters (s and t with comma below) which are not in the
> LaTeX fonts, so those are "produced" in this latin10.def file. Of course
> that could be placed as well in a commabelow.sty file as well, but
> latin10.def is helpful for typing directly in Latin10 (and/or Latin2)
> and the output will be with comma below instead of cedilla.
> 
> The s and t with comma below are also not supported by omega/lambda.
> The "comma below" glyph is present, but the S, T, s and t with comma
> below are absent. Using a regular comma (instead of the Unicode "comma
> below") will not produce the perfect solution, but this is as good it
> can get in this conditions.
> 
Thanks for your elaboration! I've forwarded your wishlist bug to
upstream i.e. the LaTeX-Team. Now I'm waiting for response.

> A LaTeX input file using latin10.def must contain this:
> 
> \usepackage{relsize}
> \usepackage{textcomp}
> \usepackage{eurosym}
> \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> \usepackage[latin10]{inputenc}
> 
Can \usepackage{eurosym} replaced by \usepackage{textcomp} if I call
the symbol \texteuro at the the place of char 164?

> Considering the latin9.def file I propose, I see no differences
> (except the ordering and the \mathonesuperior, \mathtwosuperior and
> \maththreesuperior), maybe the \euro instead of \texteuro? A simply
> \usepackage{eurosym} would solve the problem for my latin9.def
> 
Well now there is an official version. That \math*superior is just a
redefinition of ^1, ^2 etc. \texteuro is the official symbol form the
LaTeX-Team so I propose to use that one.

> You may replace \euro with \texteuro in the latin10.def as well.
> 
I've proposed that in my bug report.

Regards,
  Hilmar 
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Message #47 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>

To: LaTeX-Bugs <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>

Cc: 119531@bugs.debian.org

Subject: inclusion wish for latin10.def

Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:22:58 +0200

LaTeX2e bug report.
Generated by latexbug.tex on 2003/08/26

Reports may be submitted by email to latex-bugs@latex-project.org
Please use the subject line:
Subject: inclusion wish for latin10.def

To follow up an existing report, include the bug reference, e.g.
"latex/1234: ", preceding the subject text.
============================================================

>Category: latex
>Synopsis: inclusion wish for latin10.def
>Confidential: no
>Release: LaTeX2e <2001/06/01>
>Originator: hille42@web.de (Hilmar Preusse)
>Organization: 
>Environment:
 Hyphenation: Babel <v3.7h> and hyphenation patterns for american, british, french, german, ngerman, czech, italian, spanish, nohyphenation, loaded.
 \@TeXversion: undefined (Standard setting for TeX3.141 and later)
 \@currdir: macro:->./
 \input@path: undefined (Standard setting)
>Unformatted:
 *** Initex configuration files
fonttext.cfg
 2001/06/04 v2.2z LaTeX Kernel (Uncustomised text font setup)
fonttext.ltx
 2001/06/04 v2.2z LaTeX Kernel (Text font setup)
omlenc.def
 2001/06/05 v1.94 Standard LaTeX file
t1enc.def
 2001/06/05 v1.94 Standard LaTeX file
ot1enc.def
 2001/06/05 v1.94 Standard LaTeX file
omsenc.def
 2001/06/05 v1.94 Standard LaTeX file
t1cmr.fd
 1999/05/25 v2.5h Standard LaTeX font definitions
ot1cmr.fd
 1999/05/25 v2.5h Standard LaTeX font definitions
ot1cmss.fd
 1999/05/25 v2.5h Standard LaTeX font definitions
ot1cmtt.fd
 1999/05/25 v2.5h Standard LaTeX font definitions
fontmath.cfg
 2001/06/04 v2.2z LaTeX Kernel (Uncustomised math font setup)
fontmath.ltx
 2001/06/04 v2.2z LaTeX Kernel (Math font setup)
omlcmm.fd
 1999/05/25 v2.5h Standard LaTeX font definitions
omscmsy.fd
 1999/05/25 v2.5h Standard LaTeX font definitions
omxcmex.fd
 1999/05/25 v2.5h Standard LaTeX font definitions
ucmr.fd
 1999/05/25 v2.5h Standard LaTeX font definitions
preload.cfg
 2001/06/04 v2.2z LaTeX Kernel (Uncustomised preload font setup)
preload.ltx
 1998/08/17 v2.1g LaTeX Kernel (Font Preloading)
hyphen.cfg
 2001/03/01 v3.7h Babel language switching mechanism
 ***
>Description:
Description of bug:
Hi all,

Down here in the Debian Bug Tracking system we've got the request to
include latin10.def to support input encoding for the Romanian
language according to ISO8859-16. Additionally to the input encoding
it defines 2 letters (s and t with comma below), which are not part
of the EC-fonts. Char #164 can probably replaced by \texteuro . The
complete bug report is available on http://bugs.debian.org/119531 .
Please give us a short statement if you refuse the inclusion.
  The mentioned latin9.def is already included in LaTeX.

Regards,
  Hilmar


>How-To-Repeat:

Sample file which indicates the problem:
========================================
%%
%% This is file `latin10.def',
%%
%% This is a new file.
%%
%% Copyright 2001
%%    Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcã
%%
%% Permision granted to copy, distribute and redistribute this file.
%%
%% The comma below accent for S, s, T and t doesn't look good
%% for large characters. A solution would be to include internal
%% support for comma below in the same way like for the dot below,
%% so \C{t} to create the t comma below, etc.
%%
%% Because of the euro symbol the tetex-eurosym package has to be
%% installed. Otherwise an alternative is made to "draw" the character
%% on place. Uncomment that line and comment the next one.
%%
%% Latin10 is also coming with support for the German double quotations.
%% You have to use babel with a language that support those quotations,
%% German and Romanian come now in my mind...
%%
%% Because of \textdegree you might want to use \usepackage{textcomp} in
%% your document.
%%
%% \CharacterTable
%%  {Upper-case    \A\B\C\D\E\F\G\H\I\J\K\L\M\N\O\P\Q\R\S\T\U\V\W\X\Y\Z
%%   Lower-case    \a\b\c\d\e\f\g\h\i\j\k\l\m\n\o\p\q\r\s\t\u\v\w\x\y\z
%%   Digits        \0\1\2\3\4\5\6\7\8\9
%%   Exclamation   \!     Double quote  \"     Hash (number) \#
%%   Dollar        \$     Percent       \%     Ampersand     \&
%%   Acute accent  \'     Left paren    \(     Right paren   \)
%%   Asterisk      \*     Plus          \+     Comma         \,
%%   Minus         \-     Point         \.     Solidus       \/
%%   Colon         \:     Semicolon     \;     Less than     \<
%%   Equals        \=     Greater than  \>     Question mark \?
%%   Commercial at \@     Left bracket  \[     Backslash     \\
%%   Right bracket \]     Circumflex    \^     Underscore    \_
%%   Grave accent  \`     Left brace    \{     Vertical bar  \|
%%   Right brace   \}     Tilde         \~}
 \ProvidesFile{latin10.def}
   [2001/10/07 v0.01 Input encoding file
                        (test version: still liable to change)]
\makeatletter
\DeclareInputText{160}{\nobreakspace}
\DeclareInputText{161}{\k A}
\DeclareInputText{162}{\k a}
\DeclareInputText{163}{\L}
%\DeclareInputText{164}{{\sffamily C\makebox[0pt][l]{\kern-.70em\mbox{--}}\makebox[0pt][l]{\kern-.68em\raisebox{.25ex}{--}}}}
\DeclareInputText{164}{\euro}
\DeclareInputText{165}{\guillemotleft}
\DeclareInputText{166}{\v S}
\DeclareInputText{167}{\S}
\DeclareInputText{168}{\v s}
\DeclareInputText{169}{\copyright}
\DeclareInputText{170}{\ooalign{S\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
\DeclareInputText{171}{\quotedblbase}
\DeclareInputText{172}{\@tabacckludge'Z}
\DeclareInputText{173}{\-}
\DeclareInputText{174}{\@tabacckludge' Z}
\DeclareInputText{175}{\.Z}
\DeclareInputText{176}{\textdegree}
\DeclareInputMath{177}{\pm}
\DeclareInputText{178}{\v C}
\DeclareInputText{179}{\l}
\DeclareInputText{180}{\v Z}
\DeclareInputText{181}{\textquotedblleft}
\DeclareInputText{182}{\P}
\DeclareInputText{183}{\textperiodcentered}
\DeclareInputText{184}{\v z}
\DeclareInputText{185}{\v c}
\DeclareInputText{186}{\ooalign{s\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
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\DeclareInputText{197}{\@tabacckludge'C}
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\DeclareInputText{203}{\" E}
\DeclareInputText{204}{\@tabacckludge`I}
\DeclareInputText{205}{\@tabacckludge'I}
\DeclareInputText{206}{\^I}
\DeclareInputText{207}{\" I}
\DeclareInputText{208}{\D}
\DeclareInputText{209}{\@tabacckludge'N}
\DeclareInputText{210}{\@tabacckludge`O}
\DeclareInputText{211}{\@tabacckludge'O}
\DeclareInputText{212}{\^O}
\DeclareInputText{213}{\H O}
\DeclareInputText{214}{\"O}
\DeclareInputText{215}{\@tabacckludge'S}
\DeclareInputText{216}{\H U}
\DeclareInputText{217}{\@tabacckludge`U}
\DeclareInputText{218}{\@tabacckludge'U}
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\DeclareInputText{220}{\"U}
\DeclareInputText{221}{\k E}
\DeclareInputText{222}{\ooalign{T\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
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\DeclareInputText{224}{\@tabacckludge`a}
\DeclareInputText{225}{\@tabacckludge'a}
\DeclareInputText{226}{\^a}
\DeclareInputText{227}{\u a}
\DeclareInputText{228}{\"a}
\DeclareInputText{229}{\@tabacckludge'c}
\DeclareInputText{230}{\ae}
\DeclareInputText{231}{\c c}
\DeclareInputText{232}{\@tabacckludge`e}
\DeclareInputText{233}{\@tabacckludge'e}
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\DeclareInputText{235}{\"e}
\DeclareInputText{236}{\@tabacckludge`\i}
\DeclareInputText{237}{\@tabacckludge'\i}
\DeclareInputText{238}{\^\i}
\DeclareInputText{239}{\"\i}
\DeclareInputText{240}{\d}
\DeclareInputText{241}{\@tabacckludge'n}
\DeclareInputText{242}{\@tabacckludge`o}
\DeclareInputText{243}{\@tabacckludge'o}
\DeclareInputText{244}{\^o}
\DeclareInputText{245}{\H o}
\DeclareInputText{246}{\"o}
\DeclareInputText{247}{\@tabacckludge's}
\DeclareInputText{248}{\H u}
\DeclareInputText{249}{\@tabacckludge`u}
\DeclareInputText{250}{\@tabacckludge'u}
\DeclareInputText{251}{\^u}
\DeclareInputText{252}{\"u}
\DeclareInputText{253}{\k e}
\DeclareInputText{254}{\ooalign{t\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
\DeclareInputText{255}{\"y}
\makeatother
\endinput
%%
%% End of file `latin10.def'.


The log file from running LaTeX on the sample:
==============================================
 < < LOG FROM TEST FILE HERE >

============================================================

End of LaTeX2e bug report.
============================================================

Message #52 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Frank (bugs reply) <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>

To: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>

Cc: LaTeX-Bugs <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>, 119531@bugs.debian.org, Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>

Subject: Re: latex/3568: inclusion wish for latin10.def

Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:54:32 +0200

Hilmar,

 > Down here in the Debian Bug Tracking system we've got the request to
 > include latin10.def to support input encoding for the Romanian
 > language according to ISO8859-16. Additionally to the input encoding
 > it defines 2 letters (s and t with comma below), which are not part
 > of the EC-fonts. Char #164 can probably replaced by \texteuro . The
 > complete bug report is available on http://bugs.debian.org/119531 .
 > Please give us a short statement if you refuse the inclusion.

i have no principal objection in including latin10 support in core LaTeX, on
the contrary. however, the presented file is _not_ a proper inputencoding
definition file and i'm grateful if you do not _in this form_ include files in
the debian tetex packages.

general comments:

input encoding declarations should only refer (in the second argument) to
LICRs (LaTeX Internal Character Representations), eg

 > \DeclareInputText{170}{\ooalign{S\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}

is a nogo

similarly \euro is wrong as it should be \texteuro which is  the official LICR
(the fact that some package uses different a name is irrelevant (just like the
fact that i also prefer typing \euro to \texteuro :-)


LICRs that are not provided by the kernel but by, say, textcomp, should be
properly set up as

\ProvideTextCommandDefault{\texteuro}
   {\TextSymbolUnavailable\texteuro}

thus, \textdegree and perhaps others should be handled in this way

as for

 > \DeclareInputText{170}{\ooalign{S\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
 > \DeclareInputText{186}{\ooalign{s\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
 > \DeclareInputText{222}{\ooalign{T\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
 > \DeclareInputText{254}{\ooalign{t\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}

i would like to get to a decision what the LICR name should be, something like
\C{T} is out of question for various reasons.

questions:

 - what are the unicode names? if any?
 - are there similar chars with comman-under-accent?

it might be that something like \textundercomma (or something equally
horrible:-) might be the best but suggestions are welcome

whatever the final name the latin10.def should go

\providecommand\textundercomma[1]{....}

offering that accent withought compromising the general interface

assuming i get such a file i'm happy to include it in the upcoming release

good night
frank

ps what is meant by:

%%
%% Latin10 is also coming with support for the German double quotations.
%% You have to use babel with a language that support those quotations,
%% German and Romanian come now in my mind...
%%

pps:

 > %% The comma below accent for S, s, T and t doesn't look good
 > %% for large characters. A solution would be to include internal
 > %% support for comma below in the same way like for the dot below,
 > %% so \C{t} to create the t comma below, etc.

that might be possible after we have agreed on the LICR name, nevertheless a
\providecommand is probably in order and it might be the best to start out in
this way

Message #57 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>

To: Frank <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>, 119531@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>

Subject: Re: Bug#119531: latex/3568: inclusion wish for latin10.def

Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:29:48 +0200

On 26.08.03 Frank (latex-bugs@latex-project.org) wrote:

Good morning,

> similarly \euro is wrong as it should be \texteuro which is  the
> official LICR (the fact that some package uses different a name is
> irrelevant (just like the fact that i also prefer typing \euro to
> \texteuro :-)
> 
Thats what I mentioned in my report. char #164 can probably replaced
by \texteuro . In any case the commented line for #164 should be
kicked out.

> ps what is meant by:
> 
> %%
> %% Latin10 is also coming with support for the German double quotations.
> %% You have to use babel with a language that support those quotations,
> %% German and Romanian come now in my mind...
> %%
> 
Probably
\DeclareInputText{171}{\quotedblbase}
which generates quotation marks via input enconding.

> pps:
> 
>  > %% The comma below accent for S, s, T and t doesn't look good
>  > %% for large characters. A solution would be to include internal
>  > %% support for comma below in the same way like for the dot below,
>  > %% so \C{t} to create the t comma below, etc.
> 
> that might be possible after we have agreed on the LICR name,
> nevertheless a \providecommand is probably in order and it might be
> the best to start out in this way
> 
For clarification: An LIRC name makes it possible to use that
character even without using the input enconding, which is otherwise
impossible.

Regards,
  Hilmar 
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Message #62 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>

To: Frank <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>

Cc: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>, 119531@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: latex/3568: inclusion wish for latin10.def

Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:37:45 +0200

On 26-08-2003, at 23h 54'32", Frank wrote to mugurel about "Re: latex/3568: inclusion wish for latin10.def"
> Hilmar,
> 
> general comments:
> 
> input encoding declarations should only refer (in the second argument) to
> LICRs (LaTeX Internal Character Representations), eg
> 
>  > \DeclareInputText{170}{\ooalign{S\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
> 
> is a nogo

That was the best I could do. I have no knowledge of TeX, only some
knowledge of LaTeX (as a user not as a developper).

> similarly \euro is wrong as it should be \texteuro which is  the official LICR
> (the fact that some package uses different a name is irrelevant (just like the
> fact that i also prefer typing \euro to \texteuro :-)

I have no objection of that. I simply was not aware of the existence of
\texteuro.
> 
> LICRs that are not provided by the kernel but by, say, textcomp, should be
> properly set up as
> 
> \ProvideTextCommandDefault{\texteuro}
>    {\TextSymbolUnavailable\texteuro}
> 
> thus, \textdegree and perhaps others should be handled in this way

Fine with me.

> 
> as for
> 
>  > \DeclareInputText{170}{\ooalign{S\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
>  > \DeclareInputText{186}{\ooalign{s\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
>  > \DeclareInputText{222}{\ooalign{T\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
>  > \DeclareInputText{254}{\ooalign{t\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\scriptsize,}\hidewidth}}
> 
> i would like to get to a decision what the LICR name should be, something like
> \C{T} is out of question for various reasons.

\C was just an example. You may even called \textcommabelow
> 
> questions:
> 
>  - what are the unicode names? if any?

Well, the definition was included in the reference I gave:

http://bucovina.chem.tue.nl/romanian.utf8.htm

the 4 letters are U+0218 to U+021B.

Their name according to Unicode and the ISO8859-16 (Latin10) encoding
are:

<U0218>     /xaa         LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH COMMA BELOW
<U0219>     /xba         LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH COMMA BELOW
<U021A>     /xde         LATIN CAPITAL LETTER T WITH COMMA BELOW
<U021B>     /xfe         LATIN SMALL LETTER T WITH COMMA BELOW

the "COMMA BELOW" gliph is U+0326, just above the "CEDILLA" which is
U+0327.

>  - are there similar chars with comman-under-accent?

Not that I am aware, but if we could trust Microsoft, I saw some other
gliphs with a comma below, like K, k, L, l, N, n, R, r, etc., all parts
of Latin Extended A. At Unicode I found with comma below: G is U+0122,
N is U+0145, K is U+0136, n is U+0146, R is U+0156, k is U+0137, r is
U+0157, L is U+0138, l is U+013C. The only problem is that they are
called with cedilla not with comma below, but if you look at it, there
is no cedilla under the letter. There are more letter with cedilla below
but there are called with cedilla and indeed there is a cedilla there.
> 
> it might be that something like \textundercomma (or something equally
> horrible:-) might be the best but suggestions are welcome

\textcommabelow or \textcomma come to me mind now.

> 
> whatever the final name the latin10.def should go
> 
> \providecommand\textundercomma[1]{....}
> 
> offering that accent withought compromising the general interface
> 
> assuming i get such a file i'm happy to include it in the upcoming release
> 
Thank you.
> 
> ps what is meant by:
> 
> %%
> %% Latin10 is also coming with support for the German double quotations.
> %% You have to use babel with a language that support those quotations,
> %% German and Romanian come now in my mind...
> %%

Latin10 (ISO8859-16) is the only 8 bits charset wich contain the German
double quotations. So you can insert those quotations by a single key
stroke, if you use \usepackage[latin10]{inputenc}. I was just trying to
show the advantages of using Latin10 charset.
> 
> pps:
> 
>  > %% The comma below accent for S, s, T and t doesn't look good
>  > %% for large characters. A solution would be to include internal
>  > %% support for comma below in the same way like for the dot below,
>  > %% so \C{t} to create the t comma below, etc.
> 
> that might be possible after we have agreed on the LICR name, nevertheless a
> \providecommand is probably in order and it might be the best to start out in
> this way

Since S, s, T and t are all different, the relative position of the
comma below might differ. The solution I propose is not the best because
it depends of \relsize now.

See the new definitions:

\DeclareInputText{170}{\ooalign{S\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\relsize{-2},}\hidewidth}}
\DeclareInputText{186}{\ooalign{s\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\relsize{-2},}\hidewidth}}
\DeclareInputText{222}{\ooalign{T\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\relsize{-2},}\hidewidth}}
\DeclareInputText{254}{\ooalign{t\crcr\hidewidth\raise-.31ex\hbox{\relsize{-2},}\hidewidth}}

Even so, is not perfect, because for tiny gliphs the comma is to large :-/

If somehow the U+0326 glyph would be accesible, it may be fixed this
way (in Unicode TeX or omega):


\ocp\test=inutf8
\ocplist\TestOCP=
\addbeforeocplist 1 \test
\nullocplist
\font\Testfont=omlgc
\def\begintest{\bgroup\pushocplist\TestOCP\Testfont}
\def\endtest{\popocplist\egroup}

\begintest

\par S\kern-.45emĚŚ
\par s\kern-.35emĚŚ
\par t\kern-.3emĚŚ
\par T\kern-.45emĚŚ


\char536, \char537, \char539, \char538, \char806;
\char350, \char351, \char355, \char354,  ĚŚ.


 abreve = ă, Abreve = Ă,

 tcedilla = ţ, Tcedilla = Ţ,  
 scedilla = ş, Scedilla = Ş 

 circumflex = ̂
 dot under = ĚŁ
 cedilla = ̧
 comma below = ĚŚ
 
ȗ, char 218 (Scommabelow) = Ș, char 219 (scommabelow) = ș, 
char 21A (Tcommabelow) = Ț, char 21B (tcommabelow) = ț. 

\endtest
\end




Best regards,

        Ionel Ciob\^{i}c\u{a}

Message #67 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>

To: Frank <latex-bugs@latex-project.org>, 119531@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Ionel Mugurel Ciobica <tgakic@chem.tue.nl>

Subject: Bug#119531: latex/3568: inclusion wish for latin10.def

Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:19:41 +0200

On 26.08.03 Frank (latex-bugs@latex-project.org) wrote:

Good morning,

> similarly \euro is wrong as it should be \texteuro which is  the
> official LICR (the fact that some package uses different a name is
> irrelevant (just like the fact that i also prefer typing \euro to
> \texteuro :-)
> 
Thats what I mentioned in my report. char #164 can probably replaced
by \texteuro . In any case the commented line for #164 should be
kicked out.

> ps what is meant by:
> 
> %%
> %% Latin10 is also coming with support for the German double quotations.
> %% You have to use babel with a language that support those quotations,
> %% German and Romanian come now in my mind...
> %%
> 
Probably
\DeclareInputText{171}{\quotedblbase}
which generates quotation marks via input enconding.

> pps:
> 
>  > %% The comma below accent for S, s, T and t doesn't look good
>  > %% for large characters. A solution would be to include internal
>  > %% support for comma below in the same way like for the dot below,
>  > %% so \C{t} to create the t comma below, etc.
> 
> that might be possible after we have agreed on the LICR name,
> nevertheless a \providecommand is probably in order and it might be
> the best to start out in this way
> 
For clarification: An LIRC name makes it possible to use that
character even without using the input enconding, which is otherwise
impossible?

Regards,
  Hilmar 
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Message #72 received at 119531@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Hilmar Preusse <hille42@web.de>

To: 119531@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Debian Control <control@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: (fwd) Re: latex/3568

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:55:59 +0100

tags 119531 + fixed-upstream
thanks

latin10 is included in upstream.

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From: latex-bugs <at> latex-project <dot> org
To: gnats-admin <at> latex-project <dot> org, hille42 <at> web <dot> de,
        latex-gnats <at> latex-project <dot> org
Subject: Re: latex/3568
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:13:41 +0100 (CET)
Message-Id: <200402102213.i1AMDfoW024514@sun.dante.de>

Synopsis: inclusion wish for latin10.def

State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
State-Changed-By: gnats
State-Changed-When: Tue Feb 10 23:13:41 2004
State-Changed-Why:
    included in upcoming release -fmi

http://www.latex-project.org/cgi-bin/ltxbugs2html

----- End forwarded message -----

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Message #87 received at 119531-close@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Frank Küster <frank@debian.org>

To: 119531-close@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Bug#119531: fixed in tetex-base 3.0-9

Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:32:26 -0700

Source: tetex-base
Source-Version: 3.0-9

We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
tetex-base, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:

tetex-base_3.0-9.diff.gz
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-base_3.0-9.diff.gz
tetex-base_3.0-9.dsc
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-base_3.0-9.dsc
tetex-base_3.0-9_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-base_3.0-9_all.deb
tetex-doc_3.0-9_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-doc_3.0-9_all.deb
tetex-extra_3.0-9_all.deb
  to pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-extra_3.0-9_all.deb



A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.

Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed.  If you
have further comments please address them to 119531@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.

Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
Frank Küster <frank@debian.org> (supplier of updated tetex-base package)

(This message was generated automatically at their request; if you
believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive
administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)


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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:28:11 +0200
Source: tetex-base
Binary: tetex-extra tetex-doc tetex-base
Architecture: source all
Version: 3.0-9
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: teTeX maintainers <debian-tetex-maint@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Frank Küster <frank@debian.org>
Description: 
 tetex-base - Basic library files of teTeX
 tetex-doc  - The documentation component of the Debian teTeX packages
 tetex-extra - Additional library files of teTeX
Closes: 119531 145339 153985 160692 181310 181310 190873 195109 195711 202472 206315 214415 215925 218178 219573 221262 223569 229598 230931 251143 255137 258976 259696 261529 261736 267768 271463 272560 273246 273247 286722 291531 299843 300855 309596 320061 320066 320074 321361 324826 325891 325891 332113
Changes: 
 tetex-base (3.0-9) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Upload new upstream release to unstable.  The changelog of the
     versions in experimental is available in
     changelog.Debian.experimental.gz.
 .
   Upstream changes:
 .
   * Lots of bugs are closed by this upload - all bugs listed below have
     already been tagged fixed-upstream, and there should be an explanation
     in the bug logs at http://bugs.debian.org/<bugnumber>. In some cases
     the explanation is only a link to the LaTeX Project bug database, or
     it is in the comments of the mail sent to the control server, but it's
     always there.
 .
     - For tetex-base: (closes: #221262, #261529, #272560, #119531,
       #267768, #195711, #181310, #206315, #230931, #258976, #145339,
       #190873, #214415, #255137, #181310, #219573, #229598, #286722)
 .
     - For tetex-extra: (closes: #273246, #218178, #195109, #215925,
       #251143, #202472, #259696, #261736, #271463, #273247)
 .
     - For tetex-doc: (closes: #160692, #223569, #153985)
   * Files are now arranged according to the TeX Directory Structure v. 1.1
     (changes mainly involve font maps and encoding files, and the script
     directory).  If you have locally installed fonts, see NEWS.Debian for
     instructions.
   * tetex-doc now supports a web interface to the documentation at
     http://localhost/texmf/doc/texdoc.php, using the data from texdoctk.
 .
 .
   Debian-specific changes:
 .
   * All information for users and developers, Debian-specific or not, has
     been collected in the README files of the tetex-bin package, as well
     as in the draft for a Debian TeX Policy in the tex-common package.
   * The packaging has been revised and partly rewritten:
     - We now work with a pristine upstream tarball as orig.tar.gz.
     - Most files needed for creation of the package, as well as the
       maintainer scripts, are now generated using ePerl. The configuration
       is done, as much as possible, through the files variables,
       common.variables, and common.functions.
     - To synchronise this and the tetex-bin package, common.functions and
       common.variables from the tex-common package tree are used.
   * We provide infrastructure to allow for easy backporting of teTeX 3.0
     to sarge.
   * tetex-base now depends on tex-common, and has "lost" some configuration
     files to that package.
   * In particular, the updmap configuration files have been changed:
     - 00updmap.cfg is now 10tetex-base.cfg (except the parts in
       tex-common's 00updmap.cfg).
     - 05tetex-extra.cfg is now 05tetex-extra.cfg
     - language.dat is now a generated file, too, with the configuration
       files in /etc/texmf/language.d/
   * The format ini files have been moved back to TEXMFMAIN, they are not
     configuration files.
   * A lot of files that used to be conffiles and are now unused, are
     removed if they are unchanged.  Thanks to Ralf Stubner.
   * All debconf questions have been dropped or moved to tex-common
     (closes: #332113).
   * The following bugs only existed in experimental and were marked as
     fixed-in-experimental by uploads to experimental.  Some of them might
     not have been closed manually, therefore this upload to unstable
     finally (closes: #291531, #299843, #309596, #300855, #320066, #321361,
     #320061, #320074, #324826, #325891, #325891)
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