Debian Bug report logs - #1013933
Keep xsane out of Debian releases

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Message #5 received at submit@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jörg Frings-Fürst <debian@jff.email>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: Keep xsane out of Debian releases

Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 19:25:13 +0200

Package: xsane
Version: 0.999-12
Severity: serious


This is a placeholder RC bug to prevent xsane from entering testing
and making it to a Debian release. Xsane has not been maintained by
the Upstream author since 2014. Even the current fork does not show
much further development.

Because of the bugs in the GUI I don't think the current version
is suitable for a Debian release.

Should the fork develop positively, I will close this bug.


CU
Jörg


-- System Information:
Debian Release: bookworm/sid
  APT prefers unstable-debug
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable-debug'), (500, 'testing'), (300, 'unstable')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 5.18.0-2-amd64 (SMP w/20 CPU threads; PREEMPT)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE not set
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Versions of packages xsane depends on:
ii  libc6            2.33-7
ii  libgimp2.0       2.10.30-1+b1
ii  libglib2.0-0     2.72.2-2
ii  libgtk2.0-0      2.24.33-2
ii  libjpeg62-turbo  1:2.1.2-1
ii  liblcms2-2       2.12~rc1-2
ii  libpng16-16      1.6.37-5
ii  libsane1         1.1.1-5
ii  libtiff5         4.4.0-2
ii  sensible-utils   0.0.17
ii  xsane-common     0.999-12
ii  zlib1g           1:1.2.11.dfsg-4

Versions of packages xsane recommends:
ii  cups-client                         2.4.2-1
ii  firefox [www-browser]               101.0.1-1
ii  firefox-esr [www-browser]           91.10.0esr-1
ii  google-chrome-stable [www-browser]  103.0.5060.53-1
ii  hv3 [www-browser]                   3.0~fossil20110109-8
ii  lynx [www-browser]                  2.9.0dev.10-1

Versions of packages xsane suggests:
ii  gimp                                      2.10.30-1+b1
pn  gocr | cuneiform | tesseract-ocr | ocrad  <none>
pn  gv                                        <none>
pn  hylafax-client | mgetty-fax               <none>

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Message #10 received at 1013933@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Antoine Beaupré <anarcat@debian.org>

To: Jörg Frings-Fürst <debian@jff.email>

Cc: 1013933@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1013933: Keep xsane out of Debian releases

Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 12:35:12 -0400

On 2022-06-27 19:25:13, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote:
> This is a placeholder RC bug to prevent xsane from entering testing
> and making it to a Debian release. Xsane has not been maintained by
> the Upstream author since 2014. Even the current fork does not show
> much further development.
>
> Because of the bugs in the GUI I don't think the current version
> is suitable for a Debian release.
>
> Should the fork develop positively, I will close this bug.

Good to know, thanks!

Are you aware of an alternative SANE GUI that would be a good
replacement for xsane?

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Message #15 received at 1013933@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Alexis PM <alexispm_stellaluna@yahoo.es>

To: 1013933@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1013933: Keep xsane out of Debian releases

Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 17:29:53 +0000 (UTC)

Please consider reducing the severity of the bug to allow the inclusion of xsane in the next stable release.

xsane has no equivalent software available. Its GUI allows you to use advanced features of SANE not available graphically in other GUIs.

xsane is usable in the currently packaged version (removed in testing due to this bug). It does not have any bug that prevent me from using it on a daily basis.

At https://popcon.debian.org/by_inst xsane is ranked 2346, by comparison sane is ranked 7457.

Its development is low in the last years, the last commit is from 6 months ago ( https://gitlab.com/sane-project/frontend/xsane ), but this is not a reason to remove a software that is useful, usable, popular and no equivalent available.

Thank you very much.

Message #20 received at 1013933@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Svein Engelsgjerd <svein@engelsgjerd.net>

To: 1013933@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1013933: Keep xsane out of Debian releases

Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2022 16:33:35 +0100

On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 17:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Alexis PM 
<alexispm_stellaluna@yahoo.es> wrote:
> Please consider reducing the severity of the bug to allow the 
inclusion of xsane in the next stable release.
>
> xsane has no equivalent software available. Its GUI allows you to use 
advanced features of SANE not available graphically in other GUIs.
>
> xsane is usable in the currently packaged version (removed in testing 
due to this bug). It does not have any bug that prevent me from using it 
on a daily basis.
>
> At https://popcon.debian.org/by_inst xsane is ranked 2346, by 
comparison sane is ranked 7457.
>
> Its development is low in the last years, the last commit is from 6 
months ago ( https://gitlab.com/sane-project/frontend/xsane ), but this 
is not a reason to remove a software that is useful, usable, popular and 
no equivalent available.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>

I agree. As long as there are no alternative, please keep xsane in the 
bookworm release. While the GUI has it's flaws it does NOT render the 
entire package unusable so removing it (when no alternative exist) is a 
bit drastic.


-- 
-
Regards
Svein Engelsgjerd

Message #25 received at 1013933@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org>

To: Jörg Frings-Fürst <debian@jff.email>, 1013933@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1013933: Keep xsane out of Debian releases

Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 22:20:16 +0200

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 07:25:13PM +0200, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote:
> Package: xsane
> Version: 0.999-12
> Severity: serious
> 
> 
> This is a placeholder RC bug to prevent xsane from entering testing
> and making it to a Debian release. Xsane has not been maintained by
> the Upstream author since 2014. Even the current fork does not show
> much further development.
> 
> Because of the bugs in the GUI I don't think the current version
> is suitable for a Debian release.
> 
> Should the fork develop positively, I will close this bug.

I am still a user of xsane, and would like to continue using it.

If the current fork does not well-maintained enough for you,
would you agree to me adopting xsane?

> CU
> Jörg

Thanks
Adrian

Message #30 received at 1013933@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Jörg Frings-Fürst <debian@jff.email>

To: 1013933@bugs.debian.org

Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org>

Subject: Re: Bug#1013933: Keep xsane out of Debian releases

Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 23:25:26 +0100

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Hello Adrian,

I was hoping that the upstream will manage to fix the problems until
the new release sane-backends. So far it doesn't look like that
unfortunately.

I therefore close this bug so that in xsane can be published in
bookworm.

I am happy to continue to maintain xsane.

CU 
Jörg

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Am Montag, dem 06.02.2023 um 22:20 +0200 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 07:25:13PM +0200, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote:
> > Package: xsane
> > Version: 0.999-12
> > Severity: serious
> > 
> > 
> > This is a placeholder RC bug to prevent xsane from entering testing
> > and making it to a Debian release. Xsane has not been maintained by
> > the Upstream author since 2014. Even the current fork does not show
> > much further development.
> > 
> > Because of the bugs in the GUI I don't think the current version
> > is suitable for a Debian release.
> > 
> > Should the fork develop positively, I will close this bug.
> 
> I am still a user of xsane, and would like to continue using it.
> 
> If the current fork does not well-maintained enough for you,
> would you agree to me adopting xsane?
> 
> > CU
> > Jörg
> 
> Thanks
> Adrian

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Message #40 received at 1013933@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org>

To: Jörg Frings-Fürst <debian@jff.email>

Cc: 1013933@bugs.debian.org

Subject: Re: Bug#1013933: Keep xsane out of Debian releases

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 18:39:39 +0200

On Wed, Feb 08, 2023 at 11:25:26PM +0100, Jörg Frings-Fürst wrote:
> Hello Adrian,

Hello Jörg,

> I was hoping that the upstream will manage to fix the problems until
> the new release sane-backends. So far it doesn't look like that
> unfortunately.
> 
> I therefore close this bug so that in xsane can be published in
> bookworm.
> 
> I am happy to continue to maintain xsane.

thanks a lot!

> CU 
> Jörg

cu
Adrian

Message #45 received at 1013933@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org>

To: Debian Bug Tracking System <1013933@bugs.debian.org>

Subject: xsane: Another vote for XSane!

Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2023 14:45:26 +0000

Package: xsane
Version: 0.999-11ubuntu1
Followup-For: Bug #1013933

Thanks for keeping XSane alive in Debian.

I am a long-time user myself, out of necessity: I have tried several times
to use simple-scan (the only alternative I can find), and it just doesn’t
offer the functionality of XSane. XSane is clunky and buggy, but it gets the
job done. I have provided patches for XSane in the past, and will continue
to do so when I can find the time. It’s a shame that there’s no better
alternative, but I fear that flatbed scanning is increasingly a niche area,
as people now more and more use their phones to scan documents on the rare
occasions that they actually need a scan of a paper document. Therefore,
doing our best to keep XSane working is probably the best we can manage,
absent someone coming up with the sort of investment that saw simple-scan
created.

-- System Information:
Debian Release: bookworm/sid
  APT prefers jammy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'jammy-updates'), (500, 'jammy-security'), (500, 'jammy'), (100, 'jammy-backports')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Foreign Architectures: i386

Kernel: Linux 5.15.0-56-generic (SMP w/16 CPU threads)
Kernel taint flags: TAINT_PROPRIETARY_MODULE, TAINT_WARN, TAINT_OOT_MODULE, TAINT_UNSIGNED_MODULE
Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8), LANGUAGE=en_GB
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /usr/bin/dash
Init: systemd (via /run/systemd/system)
LSM: AppArmor: enabled

Versions of packages xsane depends on:
ii  libc6           2.35-0ubuntu3.1
ii  libgimp2.0      2.10.30-1build1
ii  libglib2.0-0    2.72.4-0ubuntu1
ii  libgtk2.0-0     2.24.33-2ubuntu2
ii  libjpeg8        8c-2ubuntu10
ii  liblcms2-2      2.12~rc1-2build2
ii  libpng16-16     1.6.37-3build5
ii  libsane1        1.1.1-5
ii  libtiff5        4.3.0-6ubuntu0.3
ii  sensible-utils  0.0.17
ii  xsane-common    0.999-11ubuntu1
ii  zlib1g          1:1.2.11.dfsg-2ubuntu9.2

Versions of packages xsane recommends:
ii  chromium-browser [www-browser]  1:110.0.5481.177-0ubuntu0.22.04.1sav0
ii  cups-client                     2.4.1op1-1ubuntu4.1
ii  firefox-esr [www-browser]       102.8.0esr+build2-0ubuntu0.22.04.1
ii  links [www-browser]             2.25-1build1
ii  lynx [www-browser]              2.9.0dev.10-1
ii  w3m [www-browser]               0.5.3+git20210102-6ubuntu0.1

Versions of packages xsane suggests:
ii  gimp                         2.10.30-1build1
ii  gocr                         0.52-3
ii  gv                           1:3.7.4-2
pn  hylafax-client | mgetty-fax  <none>
ii  tesseract-ocr                4.1.1-2.1build1

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